Lawrence
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Re: "Lulu" - Lou Reed & Metallica
Sep 08, 2015, 19:29
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You're a retard!
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keith a
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Re: "Lulu" - Lou Reed & Metallica
Sep 08, 2015, 21:22
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caldervalium wrote: I haven't heard the album, but the version of 'White Light White Heat' they played on Jools Holland was one of the most unpleasant things I've ever encountered.
That truly was a shocker.
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thispoison
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Re: "Lulu" - Lou Reed & Metallica
Sep 09, 2015, 03:11
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I like it. Thought most of the hate at the time seemed to come from the dullard and reactionary fans of Metallica, rather than the more open-minded and forward thinking Lou Reed fanatics. Certainly the best thing Metallica were ever involved in. Boring bastards. Remember what they did to "Whiskey In The Jar"? Jesus.
Lou shoulda collaborated with Davy Henderson and Vic Godard though. Now THAT woulda been something!
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Maldoror
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Edited Sep 09, 2015, 03:25
Re: "Lulu" - Lou Reed & Metallica
Sep 09, 2015, 03:25
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I guess it's tremendously boring and dull, with songs at excruciating and unnecessary lenghts. Plus the vocals by Reed are simply horrible on the record.
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IanB
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Edited Sep 09, 2015, 08:29
Re: "Lulu" - Lou Reed & Metallica
Sep 09, 2015, 07:57
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It's not a particularly good record but it is by no means the worst conceived idea or most boring music I have heard. It's just the wrong people doing it at the wrong time. If they had come together when their respective energies were at a peak. Say around the time of New York then it would have been fantastic. Is it really any worse an album than say Growing Up In Public or New Sensations (What Becomes A Legend Most aside)? If Ulver had made the exact same record with Lou then no one would care. It would be a misstep rather than an affront.
I have actually never met a metal fan that has even listened to it. A lot of the people who seem to hate Lulu with a passion are the metal-loathing folks who see Metallica as some kind of redneck band, dumbing down rock n roll and bringing uncool populist sounds into their space.
A violent angry Art Rock record based on those stories is actually a great concept. Problem is that there are virtually no rock acts in the world could out-angst, out-shock or out-ugly the Alban Berg version. The bar is just set too high. Lou would be one of the very few who could tackle it. Especially as Berlin owes more than a little to the whole atmosphere of Lulu and its unidealised story of exploitation, the self-harm that comes with obsession and the cost of pursuing self-determination at all costs.
As for the musical side Lou Reed was pretty obsessed with guitar sounds and the technology of amplification. Working with Hammett and Hetfield is really just an update on Hunter and Wagner in 73. I can easily imagine him hearing Metallica's two guitar crunch and thinking it to be the perfect bed for what he wanted to do with that story.
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mr sulcus
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Re: "Lulu" - Lou Reed & Metallica
Sep 09, 2015, 11:52
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It put me off listening to the album...until it turned up in a sale for a few quid.
I saw Lou Reed play in Leamington Spa a while back and the songs he did from Lulu were pretty good.
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Moon Cat
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Re: "Lulu" - Lou Reed & Metallica
Sep 09, 2015, 12:57
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Not heard it but would like to (possibly a glutton for punishment). It usually crops up in Fopp for £3 so I may have a sniff one day.
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machineryelf
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Edited Sep 10, 2015, 07:41
Re: "Lulu" - Lou Reed & Metallica
Sep 09, 2015, 13:26
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I don't think Metallica were the right band for the job either musically or especially in the vocal department, Hetfield doesn't mesh with Reed in any way, they just seem to shouting at each other from seperate rooms.
I like Metallica but improv is not something that they are known for and I don't think anyone had the courage to shout down Reed who after all is the owner of the ball in this particular playground.
Ulver certainly would have done a better job but wouldn't have given him the No1 metal band tag to sell the final product [ did it sell, I imagine the hardcore fans of which Metallica have plenty made it viable] I can imagine better bands to soundtrack it, SunnO))),Morbid Angel, Godflesh. He should have got Jeff Hanneman in, might have kept him off the drink for a while and he could certainly make a foul noise
As for cheery metal fans
http://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/Metallica/Lulu/320007/ these lot certainly don't like it
Personally I think it's terrible, Metallica proving that they should stick to what they know and Lou doing whatever he felt he was doing when he released substandard nonsense, maybe they all thought it was good, the general consensus does seem to be failure at almost every level.
edit after listening to a few bits on youtube I reckon they Lou knew just what he was doing it's wooden, plodding, ponderous and not that noisy, but it does a job. Some of metallica seemed to have enjoyed it, it was probably nice to slow down a bit and just hit things if your day job is going widddllleeeewidleeeewheeeeee and shouting about demonic vultures
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machineryelf
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Re: "Lulu" - Lou Reed & Metallica
Sep 09, 2015, 13:28
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£3 is about £2.73p too much. listen on you-tube the quality isn't improved at all by hearing it in glorious full blown CD digital
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Maldoror
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Re: "Lulu" - Lou Reed & Metallica
Sep 09, 2015, 16:11
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IanB wrote:
A violent angry Art Rock record based on those stories is actually a great concept. Problem is that there are virtually no rock acts in the world could out-angst, out-shock or out-ugly the Alban Berg version. The bar is just set too high.
Fully agree. Berg's opera is wonderful.
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