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Astralcat
Astralcat
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Re: Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band
Mar 21, 2014, 13:17
Sin Agog wrote:
Astralcat wrote:
The aphorisms are typical Yoko. Playful and child/zen like. I like them. Serial killers ?


They tend to be a bit flaky and drippy for my tastes. Then again, I've never been a fan of whittling the whole world down into a nice, quotable soundbite. I guess hers are a slight step up from the "wot matters is dat you got a bird wot's there for you wheneva shit goes down" homespun bollocks which predominates over a lot of the rest of facebook.


Well they make some people smile so that's a good thing. What's this about serial killers ?
Astralcat
Astralcat
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Re: Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band
Mar 21, 2014, 13:19
Sin Agog wrote:
Astralcat wrote:
I've not seen them live, but I like the albums very much. I've just been playing the latest, Take Me To The Land Of Hell.


I dug a track I heard recently, Bad Dancer. She's going for a Nu-Yoik Dance-Punk thang, and she gets it. Pretty amazing feat for an 80-year old, really. Haven't heard the recent releases, but if they're like that I can see why a fan of her avant-fluxus-primal scream stuff wouldn't go for it, but I worship at a pretty broad church so I can get behind it. You can't really tell an 80+ year old woman to try to make a tantric two-hour recreation of Mind Train without being held responsible for the potentially tragic results.


Broad church indeed. I dig the variety and I like it that she keeps moving along doing her thing.
Sin Agog
Sin Agog
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Edited Mar 21, 2014, 13:33
Re: Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band
Mar 21, 2014, 13:24
The dude Lawrence was talking about was one of the founders of a type of music that definitely doesn't make me smile, Power Electronics. It's an intense electronic onslaught mixed with things like old Nazi recordings and extracts from interviews with serial killers; it usually has provocative, bating themes (abortion, rape, incest, murdah!!!). It has its adherents, and supposedly there's often some kind of irony at play there, but mostly it's just enfeebled, emotionally and physically crippled men trying to get a rise out of people via their music which they could never hope to do in conversation. So, a bit shit and adolescent.
Astralcat
Astralcat
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Re: Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band
Mar 21, 2014, 13:25
Sin Agog wrote:
The dude Lawrence was talking about was one of the founders of a type of music that definitely doesn't make me smile, Powerviolence. It's an intense electronic onslaught mixed with things like old Nazi recordings and extracts from interviews with serial killers; it usually has provocative, bating themes (abortion, rape, incest, murdah!!!). It has its adherents, and supposedly there's often some kind of irony at play there, but mostly it's just enfeebled, emotionally and physically crippled men trying to get a rise out of people via their music which they could never hope to do in conversation. So, a bit shit and adolescent.


Nuff said!
billding68
billding68
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Re: Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band
Mar 22, 2014, 03:03
Sin Agog wrote:
Astralcat wrote:
I've not seen them live, but I like the albums very much. I've just been playing the latest, Take Me To The Land Of Hell.


I dug a track I heard recently, Bad Dancer. She's going for a Nu-Yoik Dance-Punk thang, and she gets it. Pretty amazing feat for an 80-year old, really. Haven't heard the recent releases, but if they're like that I can see why a fan of her avant-fluxus-primal scream stuff wouldn't go for it, but I worship at a pretty broad church so I can get behind it. You can't really tell an 80+ year old woman to try to make a tantric two-hour recreation of Mind Train without being held responsible for the potentially tragic results.


Just played the video for bad dancer on youtube.Whatever...its not something I would ever play in the car but I guess you could do worse by listening to that murderer mish mash stuff I suppose.
caldervalium
caldervalium
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Re: Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band
Mar 29, 2014, 16:34
Sin Agog wrote:
spencer wrote:
"Underrated".... I was half thinking of putting Plastic Ono Band in the 'Unmentioned on Unsung' topic - I decided that surely the Yoko axis of it had been, sometime, but, I don't recall it.


Dunno about that. I've spoken with Dog on here at least a handful of times about Yoko. He's not a fan of anything she did post-Fly, which I guess is fair enough, but I thought she did a pretty good job subverting pop tropes with Elephant's Memory and the like.

Anyway, Yoko does a Q&A every Friday where she answers 15 FB and 15 Twitter questions. Sometimes there aren't too many more than 15 questions asked, so if you ever fancy interacting with her about anything it's worth a bash. Let me look up the question I asked (it was something sycophantic about Why).

Here we are:

"Wahoo! Yoko Ono just answered one of my [admittedly total brown-nosing] questions.

http://imaginepeace.com/archives/12671

Q: How did you encourage John to produce such striking, cosmically forward-thinking guitar playing on your wonderful song Why? So many genres are forever indebted to you for your work on that Plastic Ono album and Fly.

A: "I didn’t encourage John to do that. His incredible sense of music made him realize that he had to play that way for that kind of sound."

It's still in my Top 10 songs of all time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCb0TsSIqI0"


I'm kind of more a Fly dude now. I do think Yoko's Plastic Ono Band record is easily superior to John's, at least for my tastes, but the fact that it's played by Lifelong Rockers does start to reveal itself after several listens. Just a certain drum flourish here that Jaki Love-Time would never be caught doing, or an out of place blues riff played by Clapton that breaks the spell. Why is still an adrenal shot to the scrotum and I'll love it right up until my dying days. That and Greenfield are the definite stand-outs. Fly is that sound's more organic conclusion, though.


I've gotta pull you up on this one, Sin. 'Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band' doesn't have Clapton on it. I can only assume you're confusing it with Lennon's 'Plastic Ono Band' album, which does indeed feature 'God' (arf arf).
caldervalium
caldervalium
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Re: Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band
Mar 29, 2014, 16:39
Come to think of it, 'Clapton is a concept by which we measure our pain' seems strangely apposite, in light of his post-Cream career. Imho.
Lawrence
9547 posts

Re: Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band
Mar 29, 2014, 16:55
Actually Clapton isn't on the Lennon version of the Plastic Ono Band albums either. Only other personnel is Ringo Starr and Klaus Voorman on bass (I think...) and some piano by Phil Spector...

Clapton DOES play on Fly though, but surprisingly he's pretty tolerable there(!) Hard to believe since it's the same year the crappy Derek and the Dominoes set came out. (Yecch!!!!)
Sin Agog
Sin Agog
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Edited Mar 29, 2014, 17:03
Re: Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band
Mar 29, 2014, 17:02
Ah! Ta, calder. I think seeing The Clap play at that Live in Toronto concert the Exploding Plastic Ono Band did in '69 was probably the cause of my brainfart.

Still trying to rearrange my Universe after Lawrence's titbit about him playing on Fly. I do think he really is one of the most useless racist tarts in the industry, and that "back to the roots" white man blues phase the rockworld went through was one of music's most misguided moments for which he is at least in part responsible.
Lawrence
9547 posts

Re: Yoko Ono/Plastic Ono Band
Mar 29, 2014, 18:09
Well he was only a hired-hand on Fly and there's not much blues-cack on it...

But I know what you mean. I hate white-boy blues with a passion. Just imagine having to sit through it live. (I did, on two occasions when an older friend dragged me to a coupe of concerts of that nature...)

Frankly Crap-ton even admits himself he never knew how the real blues worked, not that I'm a fan of it (although it might be Crap-ton who soured my taste for such music...) Fuck him anyways, I think everyone knows about his racism but most people don't seem to care anyways. Maybe because too few really care about Crap-ton.

But what I really hate him for is complete shit like "Layla", which has the most crap guitar that even beats out the Goo Goo Dolls, for, well, crap-i-ness!
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