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Valve 1736 posts |
Jun 07, 2012, 16:45
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Evidently Johnny Clarke was great. I hadn't realised he'd started out on the Bernard Manning circuit - thus a few punks spitting was a breeze.
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
Jun 07, 2012, 16:52
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Valve wrote: Evidently Johnny Clarke was great. I hadn't realised he'd started out on the Bernard Manning circuit - thus a few punks spitting was a breeze. Yeah, that was an eye-opener. Brutally honest (and laff out loud funny) about the 'wilderness years' too. An excellent prog and makes me wish I'd had the nerve to say "Ello" when I saw him on a Manc to London train a few years back. I own no Adverts music*. I think I'll be sniffing about for that first album soon (think there's a versh with GGE's on it now). One thing (of the many) I liked about that TV Smith docu was how he seemed to look so resolutely 'Unpunk', apart from maybe a few jacket modifications, compared to his peers. I admired that. *Well, used to have GGE's on an old mix tape from about 1873. |
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Jun 07, 2012, 17:08
Jun 07, 2012, 17:04
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Moon Cat wrote: One thing (of the many) I liked about that TV Smith docu was how he seemed to look so resolutely 'Unpunk', apart from maybe a few jacket modifications, compared to his peers. I admired that. My recollection of that time is that most people didn't look like Sid or Paul Simonon or, worse still, some Kings Road caricature with a mohican. The male members of the Adverts or the blokes out of say TRB or The Vibrators were much more typical of what real people looked like and even that was the glamorous end! I think that Janet Street Porter footage of the Pistols and the audience misrepresents what it was really like on an average night at the Nashville or the Marquee or whatever. From what I remember there were more long hairs with beards at punk gigs than people with our version of the Richard Hell look and most of the people on stage looked like what they were - chaps who had cut their hair and cut their solos to try and get a record deal.
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
Edited Jun 07, 2012, 17:12
Jun 07, 2012, 17:11
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IanB wrote: Moon Cat wrote: One thing (of the many) I liked about that TV Smith docu was how he seemed to look so resolutely 'Unpunk', apart from maybe a few jacket modifications, compared to his peers. I admired that. My recollection of that time is that most people didn't look like Sid or Paul Simonon or, worse still, some Kings Road caricature with a mohican. The male members of the Adverts or the blokes out of say TRB or The Vibrators were much more typical of what real people looked like and even that was the glamorous end! I think that Janet Street Porter footage of the Pistols and the audience misrepresents what it was really like on an average night at the Nashville or the Marquee or whatever. From what I remember there were more long hairs with beards at punk gigs than people with our version of the Richard Hell look. I do remember a kid at our junior school when we were about 10, Richard B, saw, I think it was, the Nationwide piece on punk (the horror etc) and came into school the next day with green food colouring in his hair and a swastika on his forehead. What was brilliant about that was that his dad was actually German! haha! I also remember the "Punk: The New Wave" bubble gum trading cards that didn't take long to appear down the newsagents. |
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Sin Agog 2253 posts |
Jun 07, 2012, 20:06
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Yikes, almost missed this. Going on the TV Smith and especially the J.C CLark doc, I think these personal profiles will be the thing to watch. These ____ Britannia docs have a tendency to ignore whole swathes of musical history in favour of whoever they can get to interview. Even gettin' some talking head to rattle off a short list which includes the word "Garage" would be better than just ignoring it altogether. Don't even recall the Ramones were mentioned while half the show was on Pub fucking Rock. (Maybe other people are more interested in that than I am). Good to see Doctors of Madness featuring prominently, though. Anyway... Cheers for mentioning the Clark docu: three days later and it would have been off iplayer. Even if the time I saw him a couple of years ago he repeated a whole page of jokes I'd found on an internet site. It must have been literally a print-out of the very same page haha
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Ziggypop 300 posts |
Jun 08, 2012, 00:29
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Moon Cat wrote: Valve wrote: Evidently Johnny Clarke was great. I hadn't realised he'd started out on the Bernard Manning circuit - thus a few punks spitting was a breeze. I own no Adverts music*. *Well, used to have GGE's on an old mix tape from about 1873. Fookin' hell I thought I got into Punk earlier than most but I can't beat 1873..
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keith a 9574 posts |
Jun 14, 2012, 08:55
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Gaye Advert Top 10 http://louderthanwar.com/my-top-10-gaye-advert/
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
Edited Jun 14, 2012, 17:53
Jun 14, 2012, 17:50
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keith a wrote: Hawkwind seem to have cropped up a couple of times in these things. Sabbath too. Blimey, Satyricon?! You go girl! 8^)
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Jun 14, 2012, 18:19
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Sin Agog wrote: These ____ Britannia docs have a tendency to ignore whole swathes of musical history in favour of whoever they can get to interview. Even gettin' some talking head to rattle off a short list which includes the word "Garage" would be better than just ignoring it altogether. Don't even recall the Ramones were mentioned while half the show was on Pub fucking Rock. (Maybe other people are more interested in that than I am). The Punk Brittania series seemed to have lived up to it's title so far by focusiing exclusively on the british punk scene. Apart from a nod to the brief period in which Malcolm McLaren managed the New York Dolls - which only seemed to be featured with regard to how he brought them over to England - there seemed to be no mention of US punk at all. The final instalment - the one I'll be setting my digibox to record due to playing the Mick Farren-headlined shindig in Brighton (yeah, unsubtle plug, I know!) - is the one I'm looking forwrd to the most, though. As someone who wasn't even in my teens during punk's first wave, late 1978/early 1979 is when things started to get really interesting for me.
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Sin Agog 2253 posts |
Edited Jun 14, 2012, 19:05
Jun 14, 2012, 19:04
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I quite liked the second part. It's always nice to see the BBC dredge up faces I probably never placed to the music before...and punks seem to be much better preserved than most other musicians (I don't think the subjects of Acid House Britannia will have fared so well). My problem is I just really smegging hate Pub Rock. Just re-read Lester Bangs' huge Clash article*, which is arguably his best piece of writing and perhaps the best writing about punk music altogether, so I'm kinda mentally dragged back on this scene again. *funny pic of them together
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