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Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: The art of negotiation
May 30, 2017, 19:07
thesweetcheat wrote:
Sanctuary wrote:
Neither side 'won or lost' and you must be in some sort of a fantasy world to hint that Corbyn did the best.


Then I am.

[Edited just for fun: https://mobile.twitter.com/PoliticaPolls/status/869297488527839235 - 52,000 votes making for quite a one sided outcome. And yes I know it's only a crappy Twitter poll, but still]


Calm, collected and clear - a born leader...NOT!
What a team he and Abbott would make with the rest of his amateur cabinet.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/jeremy-corbyn-looks-figures-ipad-095851337.html
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: The art of negotiation
May 30, 2017, 19:21
He didn't remember a number. But unlike the Conservative manifesto, there are numbers. And the childcare policy is sound - there is no doubt it would benefit a great many people.

You do realise the audience was openly laughing at May last night on the lack of costings or numbers in her manifesto? And she thinks 7p will pay for a school breakfast.

To be honest this was another example of lazy journalism, much like Paxo last night. The intention is purely to trip up, not to allow an adult discussion of policy. Our media really is very ill-equipped for proper political debate, so much of its approach is tabloid standard cheap shots.

In my opinion May looked very shaky and unassured and her tactic is still to criticise Corbyn (not working to be honest) rather than discuss her own policies. She did not answer the audience's questions on the social care policy, on police cuts, on education. Watch it again - ignore the fact you support her, watch her body language and listen to her answers.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: The art of negotiation
May 30, 2017, 19:28
By the way, he's followed up with an apology for not having he figure to hand in the interview and has now given the figure. https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/869568843768778752/video/1

That's pretty statesmanlike conduct I'd say.
Sanctuary
Sanctuary
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Re: The art of negotiation
May 30, 2017, 19:57
thesweetcheat wrote:
By the way, he's followed up with an apology for not having he figure to hand in the interview and has now given the figure. https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCNews/status/869568843768778752/video/1

That's pretty statesmanlike conduct I'd say.


Panic stations I call it.

He won't be able to do that when sat down at Brexit negotiations. I feel embarrassed just thinking about it.

Just a few weeks ago spokesman for the Labour Party said they had very little chance of winning. At that time the last thing on Corbyn's mind was having to bumble through those negotiations, but now, because of the supposed supportive polls, he is having to swat up on it. A disaster waiting to happen awaits us if Labour win this Brexit based election.
We would have a 'newbie' to this size of challenge who, aside from that, will have to deal with the other home-based problems with a cabinet, 50% that want him out of office, and the other half with no experience and of course Diana Abbott. What a collection of no-hopers!

Anyway, just a few days to go now so I'll sign off until the day after to either congratulate you or offer my condolences.

Cheers
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: The art of negotiation
May 30, 2017, 21:02
I don't think EU negotiations are going be conducted in the style of a Telegraph journalist, it's all a lot more grown up than that. Besides which, there will be negotiating teams on both sides, they're not going to have the EU leaders arm wrestling each other against the clock.

May is still claiming no deal is better than a bad deal, despite the fact that pretty much everyone with any idea about economics and security has said clearly and repeatedly that the worst deal of all would be no deal. She is approaching it as an aggressor, which will end very badly. It's in both the UK and EU's interests to get the best deal they can in the circumstances.

The idea that Corbyn is going to go there deliberately with a view to getting "the worst deal at the highest price" (as May said) is laughable.

Personally I will vote for the best candidate where I live, which sadly is not Labour round here. It's probable that Corbyn and Labour will still lose overall, but it seems less and less likely that May is going to get the enormous landslide that she has wasted all this money on in calling a wholly unnecessary election. Personally I hope the English are brave enough to see that there is a genuine chance to change the direction that this country is going in, maybe the only genuine chance for another generation. It's certainly the first time in my voting life that there has been a genuine choice and this will be the sixth general election I've voted in.

Another five years of Tory austerity is going to kill a lot of people though and bring misery to millions more. If you have any sympathy to offer, that's where it should be going. I won't welcome it nor do I need it. The last time round your sympathy amounted to telling everyone who didn't vote the same as you that they were losers and should shut up and get over it.
giNgko_C
giNgko_C
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Re: Brexit and the UK food industry.
May 30, 2017, 23:31
What about all those British workers who are so very important to the Hawaiian food industry? Despite the aluminium in the airplane exhaust making Hawaii somehow unviable for mass food production? Do we get them back?
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Brexit and the UK food industry.
Jul 22, 2017, 08:33
A long read but worth your time (the report, not the introduction):

http://www.jayrayner.co.uk/news/michael-gove-asked-me-to-a-meeting-to-share-my-expertise-i-declined-instead-ive-given-him-a-piece-of-my-mind/
Howburn Digger
Howburn Digger
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Re: Brexit and the UK food industry.
Jul 22, 2017, 09:52
thesweetcheat wrote:


"But god knows he (Gove) needs advice, because our whole food supply chain has been imperilled by the Brexit vote."

The whole of the UK needs some advice. If our supply chain for milk and cheese stretches to Poland and Rumania and we have hundreds of miles of empty UK fields producing nothing.

What is that?
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: Brexit and the UK food industry.
Jul 24, 2017, 18:50
Howburn Digger wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:


"But god knows he (Gove) needs advice, because our whole food supply chain has been imperilled by the Brexit vote."

The whole of the UK needs some advice. If our supply chain for milk and cheese stretches to Poland and Rumania and we have hundreds of miles of empty UK fields producing nothing.

What is that?



Well that's complete rubbish! Our milk and dairy are produced in this country, not imported from overseas. The only thing farmers get from the EU are financial subsidies which they will no longer receive if we leave the EU. I used to work for DEFRA working with these same farmers who will likely lose their livelihoods without these subsidies. The EU isn't harming our farming industry the airheads who voted leave and govt are doing that! Try actually speaking to farmers who are going to be affected by this like I did!
nigelswift
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Re: Brexit and the UK food industry.
Jul 24, 2017, 19:26
"financial subsidies which they will no longer receive if we leave the EU"....

and, the Govt promise to match the subsidies for a limited period is exactly that, a short term sticking plaster. Thereafter farmers are going to have to "earn" their subsidies by meeting environmental targets. In other words, the Tories will progressively increase the targets until they're unachievable and the subsidies will all but disappear. Give them credit, they always find good disguises.
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