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thesweetcheat 6209 posts |
Jul 24, 2017, 22:28
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Captain Starlet wrote: Very true, this will put an end to many independent farms in the country only to go to waste or brought up by 'corporations'. The effect of this will mean that our food standards will be drastically reduced while food prices increase. It's okay, Liam Fox is arranging for us to import deregulated food from the US, we'll be fine. Mmmmmm chlorinated chicken.
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
Jul 24, 2017, 22:44
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thesweetcheat wrote: It's okay, Liam Fox is arranging for us to import deregulated food from the US, we'll be fine. Mmmmmm chlorinated chicken. Yum! It genuinely makes me wonder what it is people who support leaving the EU was going to happen. Why are we even talking about importing things like that when we should be supporting our own economy?
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thesweetcheat 6209 posts |
Jul 24, 2017, 23:07
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Captain Starlet wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: It's okay, Liam Fox is arranging for us to import deregulated food from the US, we'll be fine. Mmmmmm chlorinated chicken. Yum! It genuinely makes me wonder what it is people who support leaving the EU was going to happen. Why are we even talking about importing things like that when we should be supporting our own economy? I've given up trying to rationalise any of it. In the course of a year, not one actual, measurable, tangible benefit has been articulated. Anything that was stated as a positive by the Leave campaign has been long-since discredited, and nothing is produced in its place as a reason to support leaving. No-one can point to a specific EU law or regulation that they don't agree with, expect for made up ones about bananas, and freedom of movement. Neither the Tories nor Labour can explain coherently how we'll be better off out after their version(s) of Brexit, although at least the Tories have essentially admitted that leaving the EU will give them further opportunity to deregulate everything and make the UK into a tax haven. Labour want to implement a massive programme of social change, but seem unwilling to confront the reality that Brexit will take away the money that they would need to pay for it, and a lot more besides. After a year of trying to understand the motivations, my only conclusions are: (a) it's all faith-based and unless you're a "believer" there will be nothing to understand - proof denies faith, after all; or (b) now that the stated benefits have been discredited and it's becoming apparent that the deal will not be a good one, people who voted to leave don't want to admit that there will be no benefits to any of us; or (c) it was all based on xenophobia all along and the proponents don't want to admit that.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jul 25, 2017, 06:17
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TechnicallyRon?Verified account @TechnicallyRon 11h11 hours ago Brexiters 2016: Brexit will ensure paradise for all Brits Brexiters 2017: Eat your chlorine chicken and shut the fuck up ;)
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Gladwin 402 posts |
Jul 25, 2017, 10:53
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thesweetcheat wrote: After a year of trying to understand the motivations, my only conclusions are: (a) it's all faith-based and unless you're a "believer" there will be nothing to understand - proof denies faith, after all; or (b) now that the stated benefits have been discredited and it's becoming apparent that the deal will not be a good one, people who voted to leave don't want to admit that there will be no benefits to any of us; or (c) it was all based on xenophobia all along and the proponents don't want to admit that. Pretty much sums it up. And still not one of them can point to a real, tangible benefit of Brexit.
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thesweetcheat 6209 posts |
Jul 25, 2017, 19:57
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Meanwhile, back in Brussels... http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-negotiator-europe-euratom-airline-safety-negotiations-theresa-may-worse-anyone-guessed-a7858586.html?amp
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Edited Jul 26, 2017, 09:39
Jul 26, 2017, 09:37
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Captain Starlet wrote: Howburn Digger wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: A long read but worth your time (the report, not the introduction): http://www.jayrayner.co.uk/news/michael-gove-asked-me-to-a-meeting-to-share-my-expertise-i-declined-instead-ive-given-him-a-piece-of-my-mind/ "But god knows he (Gove) needs advice, because our whole food supply chain has been imperilled by the Brexit vote." The whole of the UK needs some advice. If our supply chain for milk and cheese stretches to Poland and Rumania and we have hundreds of miles of empty UK fields producing nothing. What is that? Well that's complete rubbish! Our milk and dairy are produced in this country, not imported from overseas. The only thing farmers get from the EU are financial subsidies which they will no longer receive if we leave the EU. I used to work for DEFRA working with these same farmers who will likely lose their livelihoods without these subsidies. The EU isn't harming our farming industry the airheads who voted leave and govt are doing that! Try actually speaking to farmers who are going to be affected by this like I did! I'm afraid it is not rubbish. I lived on a working farm from 2002 until 2016 and saw for myself. Dairy Producers across the UK fell from 35,741 to 13,815 between 1995 and 2015. That is a 61% reduction. Milk/ Cream Imports 2005 = 158,000 tonnes Milk/ Cream Imports 2014 = 221,000 tonnes Cheese Imports 2005 = 419,000 tonnes Cheese Imports 2014 = 467,000 tonnes Dairy Producers (Scotland) 1995 - 2015 = 2,239 down to 886 Dairy Producers (England) 1995 - 2015 = 28,093 down to 10,274 Cow Milk Prodduction has fallen in the UK by 6% since 1992. In that time Germany's has increased by 9%. Turkey's has increased by 83%. UK Beef and Veal Imports are now at 250,000 tonnes per year. British Farmers subsidies are paid to be "custodians of the land" and not per cow or gallon of milk. The majority of EU subsidies are paid through "the single farm payment" to massive landowners (some are oligarchs, oil and mining magnates etc) many of whom do not pay taxes in the UK. The more land you have = the more subsidiy you get, regardless of whether you grow anything. For example Iain Duncan Smith has a huge estate his wife inherited and they scooped £1.5 Million in subsidies for growing nothing between 2003 and 2013. IDS cut Income Support for the poorest in the UK and sucked up this kinda Income Support. I am not having any kind of dig at hard working small farmers, they have seldom had anything except minimum wage (actually much less) from the "single farm payment" subsidy anyway. All that has happened is that it has made small farmers raising crops and livestock have a hard time and fat wealthy land-owning tax avoiders have an easy life scooping benefits and subsidies for not farming but "guarding the land".
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jul 26, 2017, 10:44
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thesweetcheat wrote: It's okay, Liam Fox is arranging for us to import deregulated food from the US, we'll be fine. Mmmmmm chlorinated chicken. Whereas Gove has just said there'll be NO US Trade deal that includes the import of chlorinated chicken or a reduction in animal welfare or environmental standards? Shambles or what? And what about GM? And hormones? Do we have two views on each of those? My bet is the Tories will take the low, US road in the end and stuff the EU standards.
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
Jul 26, 2017, 11:06
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Well talking to all the independent farmers around the country who say otherwise I'll take their viewpoint on it as they're the ones who'll lose out!
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thesweetcheat 6209 posts |
Jul 26, 2017, 18:26
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Not sure those figures tell the full story though at least as far as dairy is concerned. UK exports much more milk (and more butter) than it imports, so it remains a net exporter of dairy. Imports of milk amount to a very small percentage of what we consume. We tend to import more cheese than we produce, it's all those brie paninis to blame. Imports have increased, but so have exports. Also, DEFRA figures for dairy produced in the UK indicate a slight increase in litres (milk) and tonnes (butter and cheese) rather than decrease between 2004 and 2016.
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