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Markoid 1621 posts |
Edited Jun 18, 2016, 20:21
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Popel Vooje wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: As someone who runs a mental health campaign (albeit small) the need for some to label non-Muslim people who do this as mentally ill is completely abhorrent! If he was mentally ill the likelihood is is that any GP would have picked up on it, family and friends would have picked up on it, you can't hide it all of the time. There's numerous pictures online showing him at bf demos showing he was a well known regular, and with his disgusting comment in court today this eradicates any call that there's mental health issues and that he's an extremist plain and simple! Thing is if the guy looked like a Muslim people wouldn't even be thinking mental health but just that that person was a religious extremist and I see no reason to suggest otherwise here! I think he was both a terrorist and mentally ill. Sometimes mentally disturbed people attach themselves to screwed-up ideologies in order to legitimise their actions, and it's a sad fact that the Internet has most likely contributed to this. I have come across a couple of reports in which his brother confirms he has a history of OCD and depression - but given how underfunded mental health services are in the UK, I find it easy to believe he could have slipped under the radar. Nonetheless, this was still a hate crime, and deserves to be treated as such. What you have to remember though is that the mad (or the mentally ill) don't usually go around killing folks. That dangerous bull is left to the press, warmongerers, arms traders, the media and governments.
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Markoid 1621 posts |
Jun 18, 2016, 22:14
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Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: As someone who runs a mental health campaign (albeit small) the need for some to label non-Muslim people who do this as mentally ill is completely abhorrent! If he was mentally ill the likelihood is is that any GP would have picked up on it, family and friends would have picked up on it, you can't hide it all of the time. There's numerous pictures online showing him at bf demos showing he was a well known regular, and with his disgusting comment in court today this eradicates any call that there's mental health issues and that he's an extremist plain and simple! Thing is if the guy looked like a Muslim people wouldn't even be thinking mental health but just that that person was a religious extremist and I see no reason to suggest otherwise here! I think he was both a terrorist and mentally ill. Sometimes mentally disturbed people attach themselves to screwed-up ideologies in order to legitimise their actions, and it's a sad fact that the Internet has most likely contributed to this. I have come across a couple of reports in which his brother confirms he has a history of OCD and depression - but given how underfunded mental health services are in the UK, I find it easy to believe he could have slipped under the radar. Nonetheless, this was still a hate crime, and deserves to be treated as such. What you have to remember though is that the mad (or the mentally ill) don't usually go around killing folks. That dangerous bull is left to the press, warmongerers, arms traders, the media and governments. Time to shut up!
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Markoid 1621 posts |
Jun 18, 2016, 23:44
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Markoid wrote: Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: As someone who runs a mental health campaign (albeit small) the need for some to label non-Muslim people who do this as mentally ill is completely abhorrent! If he was mentally ill the likelihood is is that any GP would have picked up on it, family and friends would have picked up on it, you can't hide it all of the time. There's numerous pictures online showing him at bf demos showing he was a well known regular, and with his disgusting comment in court today this eradicates any call that there's mental health issues and that he's an extremist plain and simple! Thing is if the guy looked like a Muslim people wouldn't even be thinking mental health but just that that person was a religious extremist and I see no reason to suggest otherwise here! I think he was both a terrorist and mentally ill. Sometimes mentally disturbed people attach themselves to screwed-up ideologies in order to legitimise their actions, and it's a sad fact that the Internet has most likely contributed to this. I have come across a couple of reports in which his brother confirms he has a history of OCD and depression - but given how underfunded mental health services are in the UK, I find it easy to believe he could have slipped under the radar. Nonetheless, this was still a hate crime, and deserves to be treated as such. What you have to remember though is that the mad (or the mentally ill) don't usually go around killing folks. That dangerous bull is left to the press, warmongerers, arms traders, the media and governments. Time to shut up! I've been to France, Germany in the last few years. and found them the most amazing people! I even have the pictures to prove it!
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Jun 19, 2016, 08:45
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Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: As someone who runs a mental health campaign (albeit small) the need for some to label non-Muslim people who do this as mentally ill is completely abhorrent! If he was mentally ill the likelihood is is that any GP would have picked up on it, family and friends would have picked up on it, you can't hide it all of the time. There's numerous pictures online showing him at bf demos showing he was a well known regular, and with his disgusting comment in court today this eradicates any call that there's mental health issues and that he's an extremist plain and simple! Thing is if the guy looked like a Muslim people wouldn't even be thinking mental health but just that that person was a religious extremist and I see no reason to suggest otherwise here! I think he was both a terrorist and mentally ill. Sometimes mentally disturbed people attach themselves to screwed-up ideologies in order to legitimise their actions, and it's a sad fact that the Internet has most likely contributed to this. I have come across a couple of reports in which his brother confirms he has a history of OCD and depression - but given how underfunded mental health services are in the UK, I find it easy to believe he could have slipped under the radar. Nonetheless, this was still a hate crime, and deserves to be treated as such. What you have to remember though is that the mad (or the mentally ill) don't usually go around killing folks. That dangerous bull is left to the press, warmongerers, arms traders, the media and governments. Of course not. I know enough about mental illness to know that it's far more common for the afflicted to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it. I'm not trying to imply that this murder was part of a general pattern - but looking at the specifics of this case, it appears undeniable that the killer did have a history of problems in that area. Another report I've just read claimed he'd visited a drop-in place called the Birstall Wellbeing Centre looking for alternative remedies/therapies for his depression because the meds he'd been prescribed weren't working. this was the night before the murder. The woman who saw him told him to come back next day for an appointment but he never did.
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Markoid 1621 posts |
Edited Jun 19, 2016, 09:36
Jun 19, 2016, 09:26
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Popel Vooje wrote: Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: As someone who runs a mental health campaign (albeit small) the need for some to label non-Muslim people who do this as mentally ill is completely abhorrent! If he was mentally ill the likelihood is is that any GP would have picked up on it, family and friends would have picked up on it, you can't hide it all of the time. There's numerous pictures online showing him at bf demos showing he was a well known regular, and with his disgusting comment in court today this eradicates any call that there's mental health issues and that he's an extremist plain and simple! Thing is if the guy looked like a Muslim people wouldn't even be thinking mental health but just that that person was a religious extremist and I see no reason to suggest otherwise here! I think he was both a terrorist and mentally ill. Sometimes mentally disturbed people attach themselves to screwed-up ideologies in order to legitimise their actions, and it's a sad fact that the Internet has most likely contributed to this. I have come across a couple of reports in which his brother confirms he has a history of OCD and depression - but given how underfunded mental health services are in the UK, I find it easy to believe he could have slipped under the radar. Nonetheless, this was still a hate crime, and deserves to be treated as such. What you have to remember though is that the mad (or the mentally ill) don't usually go around killing folks. That dangerous bull is left to the press, warmongerers, arms traders, the media and governments. Of course not. I know enough about mental illness to know that it's far more common for the afflicted to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it. I'm not trying to imply that this murder was part of a general pattern - but looking at the specifics of this case, it appears undeniable that the killer did have a history of problems in that area. Another report I've just read claimed he'd visited a drop-in place called the Birstall Wellbeing Centre looking for alternative remedies/therapies for his depression because the meds he'd been prescribed weren't working. this was the night before the murder. The woman who saw him told him to come back next day for an appointment but he never did. We basically know nothing at the moment. I work in forensic psychiatry, and when I find out the facts, I will tell yous lot, bugger all! I'm allowed to speculate though, as it is my job. Jesus, you sound like the Daily Mail!
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Markoid 1621 posts |
Edited Jun 19, 2016, 10:05
Jun 19, 2016, 09:47
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Popel Vooje wrote: Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: As someone who runs a mental health campaign (albeit small) the need for some to label non-Muslim people who do this as mentally ill is completely abhorrent! If he was mentally ill the likelihood is is that any GP would have picked up on it, family and friends would have picked up on it, you can't hide it all of the time. There's numerous pictures online showing him at bf demos showing he was a well known regular, and with his disgusting comment in court today this eradicates any call that there's mental health issues and that he's an extremist plain and simple! Thing is if the guy looked like a Muslim people wouldn't even be thinking mental health but just that that person was a religious extremist and I see no reason to suggest otherwise here! I think he was both a terrorist and mentally ill. Sometimes mentally disturbed people attach themselves to screwed-up ideologies in order to legitimise their actions, and it's a sad fact that the Internet has most likely contributed to this. I have come across a couple of reports in which his brother confirms he has a history of OCD and depression - but given how underfunded mental health services are in the UK, I find it easy to believe he could have slipped under the radar. Nonetheless, this was still a hate crime, and deserves to be treated as such. What you have to remember though is that the mad (or the mentally ill) don't usually go around killing folks. That dangerous bull is left to the press, warmongerers, arms traders, the media and governments. Of course not. I know enough about mental illness to know that it's far more common for the afflicted to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it. I'm not trying to imply that this murder was part of a general pattern - but looking at the specifics of this case, it appears undeniable that the killer did have a history of problems in that area. Another report I've just read claimed he'd visited a drop-in place called the Birstall Wellbeing Centre looking for alternative remedies/therapies for his depression because the meds he'd been prescribed weren't working. this was the night before the murder. The woman who saw him told him to come back next day for an appointment but he never did. Depression is not a causative effect in violent crimes. Quite the opposite infact. Violent suicide. He was given help, but never took it. Hardly a blight on the mental health system, which is totally underfunded. Most killers are sane. Only a few are nuts..that's where I come in. 23 years in forensic psychiatry. I know my stuff! I don't fuck about with books and hearsay anymore. Been there!
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Edited Jun 19, 2016, 23:14
Jun 19, 2016, 10:04
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Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: As someone who runs a mental health campaign (albeit small) the need for some to label non-Muslim people who do this as mentally ill is completely abhorrent! If he was mentally ill the likelihood is is that any GP would have picked up on it, family and friends would have picked up on it, you can't hide it all of the time. There's numerous pictures online showing him at bf demos showing he was a well known regular, and with his disgusting comment in court today this eradicates any call that there's mental health issues and that he's an extremist plain and simple! Thing is if the guy looked like a Muslim people wouldn't even be thinking mental health but just that that person was a religious extremist and I see no reason to suggest otherwise here! I think he was both a terrorist and mentally ill. Sometimes mentally disturbed people attach themselves to screwed-up ideologies in order to legitimise their actions, and it's a sad fact that the Internet has most likely contributed to this. I have come across a couple of reports in which his brother confirms he has a history of OCD and depression - but given how underfunded mental health services are in the UK, I find it easy to believe he could have slipped under the radar. Nonetheless, this was still a hate crime, and deserves to be treated as such. What you have to remember though is that the mad (or the mentally ill) don't usually go around killing folks. That dangerous bull is left to the press, warmongerers, arms traders, the media and governments. Of course not. I know enough about mental illness to know that it's far more common for the afflicted to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it. I'm not trying to imply that this murder was part of a general pattern - but looking at the specifics of this case, it appears undeniable that the killer did have a history of problems in that area. Another report I've just read claimed he'd visited a drop-in place called the Birstall Wellbeing Centre looking for alternative remedies/therapies for his depression because the meds he'd been prescribed weren't working. this was the night before the murder. The woman who saw him told him to come back next day for an appointment but he never did. We basically know nothing at the moment. I work in forensic psychiatry, and when I find out the facts, I will tell yous lot, bugger all! I'm allowed to speculate though, as it is my job. Jesus, you sound like the Daily Mail! Rubbish. Plenty of information about the killer has been leaking out over the last two days, just google "Thomas Mair mental illness" and a welter of articles on the subject come to the surface almost immediately, and not just from the right-wing press either. Not only that, the implication that you're allowed to speculate on this issue because you work in mental health whilst the rest of us should just keep our mouths shut reeks of high-handed professional arrogance to me. I'm disappointed, as reading your previous posts on here gave me the impression you were better than that. Anyways, I'm bowing out of this for now as I'm off on holiday to Greece. Should be a welcome respite - probably less tension, unrest and kneejerk anger there than there is in the UK at the moment, judging by the contents of this thread. Enjoy your referendum, and whatever you do, don't put yourself out by considering any information that doesn't fit with your pre-conceived ideology.
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Edited Jun 19, 2016, 10:29
Jun 19, 2016, 10:14
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Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: As someone who runs a mental health campaign (albeit small) the need for some to label non-Muslim people who do this as mentally ill is completely abhorrent! If he was mentally ill the likelihood is is that any GP would have picked up on it, family and friends would have picked up on it, you can't hide it all of the time. There's numerous pictures online showing him at bf demos showing he was a well known regular, and with his disgusting comment in court today this eradicates any call that there's mental health issues and that he's an extremist plain and simple! Thing is if the guy looked like a Muslim people wouldn't even be thinking mental health but just that that person was a religious extremist and I see no reason to suggest otherwise here! I think he was both a terrorist and mentally ill. Sometimes mentally disturbed people attach themselves to screwed-up ideologies in order to legitimise their actions, and it's a sad fact that the Internet has most likely contributed to this. I have come across a couple of reports in which his brother confirms he has a history of OCD and depression - but given how underfunded mental health services are in the UK, I find it easy to believe he could have slipped under the radar. Nonetheless, this was still a hate crime, and deserves to be treated as such. What you have to remember though is that the mad (or the mentally ill) don't usually go around killing folks. That dangerous bull is left to the press, warmongerers, arms traders, the media and governments. Of course not. I know enough about mental illness to know that it's far more common for the afflicted to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it. I'm not trying to imply that this murder was part of a general pattern - but looking at the specifics of this case, it appears undeniable that the killer did have a history of problems in that area. Another report I've just read claimed he'd visited a drop-in place called the Birstall Wellbeing Centre looking for alternative remedies/therapies for his depression because the meds he'd been prescribed weren't working. this was the night before the murder. The woman who saw him told him to come back next day for an appointment but he never did. Depression is not a causative effect in violent crimes. Quite the opposite infact. Violent suicide. He was given help, but never took it. Hardly a blight on the mental health system, which is totally underfunded. Most killers are sane. Only a few are nuts..that's where I come in. 23 years in forensic psychiatry. I know my stuff! Thanks for flashing me your ID - but please don't lecture me on the symptoms of clinical depression. I've suffered from it for 26 years and the episodes have only stopped because I've finally found a med that works (and that's only the half of it, but I'm not going into more details as I'm not here to tell my life story). It manifests itself in different ways from person to person, and some of the SSRIs I've been prescribed in the past have definitely transmuted that depression into anger, and I know at least two other people who've used them that have had the same reaction. As for your last four sentences, I'm not sure why you even bothered to type them as nothing in my initial post contradicts anything you've said there. I never said most killers were nuts, so why you're telling me that is a mystery to me as you're preaching to the converted.
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Markoid 1621 posts |
Jun 19, 2016, 10:14
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Popel Vooje wrote: Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: As someone who runs a mental health campaign (albeit small) the need for some to label non-Muslim people who do this as mentally ill is completely abhorrent! If he was mentally ill the likelihood is is that any GP would have picked up on it, family and friends would have picked up on it, you can't hide it all of the time. There's numerous pictures online showing him at bf demos showing he was a well known regular, and with his disgusting comment in court today this eradicates any call that there's mental health issues and that he's an extremist plain and simple! Thing is if the guy looked like a Muslim people wouldn't even be thinking mental health but just that that person was a religious extremist and I see no reason to suggest otherwise here! I think he was both a terrorist and mentally ill. Sometimes mentally disturbed people attach themselves to screwed-up ideologies in order to legitimise their actions, and it's a sad fact that the Internet has most likely contributed to this. I have come across a couple of reports in which his brother confirms he has a history of OCD and depression - but given how underfunded mental health services are in the UK, I find it easy to believe he could have slipped under the radar. Nonetheless, this was still a hate crime, and deserves to be treated as such. What you have to remember though is that the mad (or the mentally ill) don't usually go around killing folks. That dangerous bull is left to the press, warmongerers, arms traders, the media and governments. Of course not. I know enough about mental illness to know that it's far more common for the afflicted to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it. I'm not trying to imply that this murder was part of a general pattern - but looking at the specifics of this case, it appears undeniable that the killer did have a history of problems in that area. Another report I've just read claimed he'd visited a drop-in place called the Birstall Wellbeing Centre looking for alternative remedies/therapies for his depression because the meds he'd been prescribed weren't working. this was the night before the murder. The woman who saw him told him to come back next day for an appointment but he never did. We basically know nothing at the moment. I work in forensic psychiatry, and when I find out the facts, I will tell yous lot, bugger all! I'm allowed to speculate though, as it is my job. Jesus, you sound like the Daily Mail! Rubbish. Plenty of information about the killer has been leaking out over the last two days, just google "Thomas Mair mental illness" and a welter of articles on the subject come to the surface almost immediately, and not just from the right-wing press either. Not only that, the implication that you;re allowed to speculate on this issue because you work in mental health whilst the rest of us should just keep our mouths shut reeks of professional arrogance to me. I'm disappointed, as reading your previous posts made me this that you were better than that. Anyways, I'm bowing out of this for now as I'm off on holiday to Greece. Should be a welcome respite - probably less tension, unrest and kneejerk anger there than there is in the UK at the moment, judging by the contents of this thread. Enjoy your referendum, and whatever you do, don't put yourself out by considering any information that doesn't fit with your pre-conceived ideology. I don't have a pre-conceived ideology. It's based on fact. Sometimes that is based on what madness is. I sure as hell know more about it than you, or the press. You know fuck all about the law. Madnesss is OK, but severe madness is not. And it's only a minority. So there!
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Edited Jun 19, 2016, 23:13
Jun 19, 2016, 10:20
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Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Markoid wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: As someone who runs a mental health campaign (albeit small) the need for some to label non-Muslim people who do this as mentally ill is completely abhorrent! If he was mentally ill the likelihood is is that any GP would have picked up on it, family and friends would have picked up on it, you can't hide it all of the time. There's numerous pictures online showing him at bf demos showing he was a well known regular, and with his disgusting comment in court today this eradicates any call that there's mental health issues and that he's an extremist plain and simple! Thing is if the guy looked like a Muslim people wouldn't even be thinking mental health but just that that person was a religious extremist and I see no reason to suggest otherwise here! I think he was both a terrorist and mentally ill. Sometimes mentally disturbed people attach themselves to screwed-up ideologies in order to legitimise their actions, and it's a sad fact that the Internet has most likely contributed to this. I have come across a couple of reports in which his brother confirms he has a history of OCD and depression - but given how underfunded mental health services are in the UK, I find it easy to believe he could have slipped under the radar. Nonetheless, this was still a hate crime, and deserves to be treated as such. What you have to remember though is that the mad (or the mentally ill) don't usually go around killing folks. That dangerous bull is left to the press, warmongerers, arms traders, the media and governments. Of course not. I know enough about mental illness to know that it's far more common for the afflicted to be victims of violence rather than perpetrators of it. I'm not trying to imply that this murder was part of a general pattern - but looking at the specifics of this case, it appears undeniable that the killer did have a history of problems in that area. Another report I've just read claimed he'd visited a drop-in place called the Birstall Wellbeing Centre looking for alternative remedies/therapies for his depression because the meds he'd been prescribed weren't working. this was the night before the murder. The woman who saw him told him to come back next day for an appointment but he never did. We basically know nothing at the moment. I work in forensic psychiatry, and when I find out the facts, I will tell yous lot, bugger all! I'm allowed to speculate though, as it is my job. Jesus, you sound like the Daily Mail! Rubbish. Plenty of information about the killer has been leaking out over the last two days, just google "Thomas Mair mental illness" and a welter of articles on the subject come to the surface almost immediately, and not just from the right-wing press either. Not only that, the implication that you;re allowed to speculate on this issue because you work in mental health whilst the rest of us should just keep our mouths shut reeks of professional arrogance to me. I'm disappointed, as reading your previous posts made me this that you were better than that. Anyways, I'm bowing out of this for now as I'm off on holiday to Greece. Should be a welcome respite - probably less tension, unrest and kneejerk anger there than there is in the UK at the moment, judging by the contents of this thread. Enjoy your referendum, and whatever you do, don't put yourself out by considering any information that doesn't fit with your pre-conceived ideology. I don't have a pre-conceived ideology. It's based on fact. Sometimes that is based on what madness is. I sure as hell know more about it than you, or the press. You know fuck all about the law. Madness is OK, but severe madness is not. And it's only a minority. So there! Fine. I bow to your superior wisdom, Mr Omniscient. I promise I will never, ever hold an opinion on mental health again without consulting you first, despite - as I've posted below - that I've had episodes of it for 26 years.
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