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Markoid 1621 posts |
Edited May 03, 2016, 16:57
May 03, 2016, 16:39
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Captain Starlet wrote: Markoid wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: Goldsmith isn't going to win, and yes as has been said above the lesser of two evils is still an evil, but it's still toppling the tories, which is what the vast majority of people in this country want. With more unions rejoining with Labour under Corbyn I'm not really seeing where you're coming from there as he's been the one standing with support of the disadvantaged, the unions and the people in general. Under Corbyn a number of unions have reaffiliated with them too! I know a lot of people in London and they all support Corbyn, and I mix with a very diverse community. Maybe you just don't like Corbyn? There has been no more or less union affiliation. That's figures and seeking out members. The party membership has been inflated. I like Corbyn. Christ, as a Unison member I voted for him. The Party needs him. He's shooting himself in the foot though due to abstaining in important social legislation on various occasions. That's why The Labour Party have let me down. The front bench is weak. I believe in Scottish Nationalism. Corbyn says he's a socialist, yet he won't support us. Good for England, Wales, NI possibly...but bad for Scotland. The Labour Party in Scotland is an absolute shambles. They have been toothless. The Labour Party in London has some teeth, and it fucking better use it properly, or Keir Hardie will turn in his grave. Thing is there's no reason for Corbyn to support Scottish Nationalism, quite honestly the SNP have been a pain in the arse for Labour since 1979. Corbyn is a socialist, which is almost a polar opposite from Nationalism, which I see as more right wing than left. If you look at 'New Labour' voting, who abstained on pretty much everything then Corbyn's record is actually very good. I believe the current party membership is approximately half a million, which whether you agree or not with the figures they are still the largest party in the UK by a very wide margin! As for Unions the FBU and PCS are two very large unions that have rejoined Labour under Corbyn more will follow. The Labour Party in the UK will be allowed to use it's teeth when people stop undermining the leadership that actually stand for what the Labour party was created to do in the first place. The SNP are not right wing. The SNP are what OUR LABOUR PARTY in Scotland used to be years ago, but gave away and sold out. Left of centre. OK, we are not a truly socialist party, but my country seems to be doing alright. We are not a seperatist party. Work in Progress! Just believe in indy. It's morally justified and it will happen within 10 years. It will. Why be ruled by Tories, when there's none there? You'll be doubting Norway next! There's probably more socialists (Marxists/Leninists) per square inch to ratio population in Scotland than anywhere else in the world. We're like that! We'll keep it that way too :)
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
May 03, 2016, 17:05
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Why be ruled by tories? Because Scotland voted against independence, sorry just a fact! Also as you say yourself that SNP are not socialist why do you demand Corbyn supports that? He's a socialist, not a nationalist. I'll agree that some elements of SNP are left wing but that's not a huge part. The leadership needs to drastically change for that to come anywhere near close.
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Markoid 1621 posts |
Edited May 04, 2016, 10:55
May 03, 2016, 18:09
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Scotland voted Labour for as many moons as I can remember, and all we got was a fucking Tory Government. I didn't work. The Tories gave us Scots The Poll Tax, closed shipyards, unemployment, drug addiction, violence towards our own kith and kin, migration, depression, killed soldiers and fuck knows what else. Thatcher tried to kill our country. A despised person we have never known. We survived. The Labour Party in Scotland did fuck all about it. We were angry, and needed more democratisation to help ourselves through art, music, electronics, psych stuff, jobs and a better health sytstem and a sense of ME & YOU & US! It fucking worked. We got fed up being a doormat to England. There's only 5 million of us! And if some people want to keep the union, they are fools, fucking fools. Elvis Costello: Tramp the Dirt Down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Znn5a-88tY
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
May 03, 2016, 19:02
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I live in Wales, we fared no better. We had a Indy vote in 2012, it got defeated with about (I think) 28% support and people got on and moved forward. I find it sad that the likes of Sturgeon can't accept that and it does show to other people how little regard she has for the wishes of the people in Scotland who voted to stay in uk. Personally I'd rather see 4 equal countries represented equally and working as one over what we have now, but until something credible and realistic comes along then that's not going to happen. It needs a national party to devolve Engkand and neither Plaid or SNP are capable of that. Labour however are. Before devolution here under Labour it was never going to happen.
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Markoid 1621 posts |
Edited May 04, 2016, 01:38
May 03, 2016, 19:15
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Something credible is coming along - An Independent Scotland. We've not gone down the Irish route of killing too many people. We just have a great argument. 1707 was a sham. I thought yous Taffy's would be on our side, since the English fucked yous lot too!
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
May 03, 2016, 23:06
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Huge difference is us 'taffys' accepted the decision and moved on to progress for a better wales, we chose not to live in the past and look at defeat as something to learn and move on from instead of continually crying about it. There's still a lot of support for an independent Wales but the majority of people here understand that Wales can't exist on its own at the current moment, so it's a matter of waiting until the time is right. Would be good if Scotland did the same
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Toni Torino 2299 posts |
May 03, 2016, 23:34
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I'm torn between voting Khan first - you pick 1st & 2nd preferences - to keep out Goldsmith or a couple of the smaller candidates who I'd really rather vote for.
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Markoid 1621 posts |
Edited May 04, 2016, 01:29
May 04, 2016, 01:16
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I usually vote Green second, because Caroline Lucas has a great smile..and a product of the best dental service in the world. err, I mean Brighton. Anyway, this is a London election, so yous can all fuck off to your coal mines, or the tin mines or your Coronation Street, and let us proper chaps dictate your future. Hear me? Class dismissed!
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Markoid 1621 posts |
May 04, 2016, 01:49
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Captain Starlet wrote: Huge difference is us 'taffys' accepted the decision and moved on to progress for a better wales, we chose not to live in the past and look at defeat as something to learn and move on from instead of continually crying about it. There's still a lot of support for an independent Wales but the majority of people here understand that Wales can't exist on its own at the current moment, so it's a matter of waiting until the time is right. Would be good if Scotland did the same Just lie down and take it then? No No No No No. Pretty much every country in the world which England colonized has been given back to their own. Last week it was Jamaica. Why the big deal about Scotland? Westminster - Oh yeah, they're pretty clever those Scots and they have all that oil. We don't like them really, but let's pretend we do.
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
May 04, 2016, 14:43
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Markoid wrote: Captain Starlet wrote: Huge difference is us 'taffys' accepted the decision and moved on to progress for a better wales, we chose not to live in the past and look at defeat as something to learn and move on from instead of continually crying about it. There's still a lot of support for an independent Wales but the majority of people here understand that Wales can't exist on its own at the current moment, so it's a matter of waiting until the time is right. Would be good if Scotland did the same Just lie down and take it then? No No No No No. Pretty much every country in the world which England colonized has been given back to their own. Last week it was Jamaica. Why the big deal about Scotland? Westminster - Oh yeah, they're pretty clever those Scots and they have all that oil. We don't like them really, but let's pretend we do. Actually 'England' has never colonised anywhere, Britain (including Scotland and Wales) colonised. And to say we just lay down and took it is not only stupid but insulting to Wales as a whole. What we do, unlike the SNP is respect the will of the people, which is part of being in the democratic process. Unlike SNP we're capable of being adults about it! And also, oil isn't something the SNP should be basing their whole financial outlook on as outlooks are predominantly short term based and production has fallen over the past few years.
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