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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Oct 22, 2010, 14:54
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Squid Tempest wrote: Great article. "How did we become so subservient and docile? It's as if the rest of Europe is preparing for mass protest and our slogan is, "I can't make it I'm afraid, I've got a tummy ache." Splendid. Why aren't we out on the streets? My guess is fear, pure and simple. Fear of losing our precious jobs, fear of a violent police reaction with no possibility of redress, just plain fear. I'm not so sure. I think it's apathy - but I'm also predicting that that phase will pass once the long-term effects of the cuts kick in and the everyday lives of the silent majority are directly affected.
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mingtp 2270 posts |
Oct 22, 2010, 15:08
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The Sea Cat wrote: EDIT: rumour has it that they will press ahead with the Labour hatched/debunked due-to-public-disapproval Big Brother database re. all personal communications which they were so 'against', pre-election. That old convenient Terrorist Threat bullshit again. Just read in today's paper that this is indeed the case. Bad times.
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Squid Tempest 8769 posts |
Oct 22, 2010, 15:31
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Popel Vooje wrote: Squid Tempest wrote: Great article. "How did we become so subservient and docile? It's as if the rest of Europe is preparing for mass protest and our slogan is, "I can't make it I'm afraid, I've got a tummy ache." Splendid. Why aren't we out on the streets? My guess is fear, pure and simple. Fear of losing our precious jobs, fear of a violent police reaction with no possibility of redress, just plain fear. I'm not so sure. I think it's apathy - but I'm also predicting that that phase will pass once the long-term effects of the cuts kick in and the everyday lives of the silent majority are directly affected. Yeah, you could well be right there Popel. Perhaps a combination of apathy and fear?
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Oct 22, 2010, 17:25
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The arrogance of your enemy is when they are at their most vulnerable.
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Oct 23, 2010, 16:59
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Squid Tempest wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: Squid Tempest wrote: Great article. "How did we become so subservient and docile? It's as if the rest of Europe is preparing for mass protest and our slogan is, "I can't make it I'm afraid, I've got a tummy ache." Splendid. Why aren't we out on the streets? My guess is fear, pure and simple. Fear of losing our precious jobs, fear of a violent police reaction with no possibility of redress, just plain fear. I'm not so sure. I think it's apathy - but I'm also predicting that that phase will pass once the long-term effects of the cuts kick in and the everyday lives of the silent majority are directly affected. Yeah, you could well be right there Popel. Perhaps a combination of apathy and fear? Yes, and the fact that many people are too worried about their own individual problems to see the bigger picture of how the cuts will affect society as a whole.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Oct 23, 2010, 19:06
Oct 23, 2010, 18:44
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Take to the streets and do what? You'll have to fight through the millions heading for Primark first. Any street protest here is going to be about as effective as Cocker baring his arse at Michael Jackson. I feel for the people in Scotland (and to a lesser extent Wales) who got fucked over by everyone else but the real enemy are the rump of the 15m citizens who could have voted but didn't bother to vote and the many millions who never pick up a book or seriously question anything at all. How could anything approaching 15m people live in this world and in this time and not feel OBLIGED to register their views at the ballot box. Doesn't matter how you are educated or what your economic opportunities are, you're as stupid and as ill informed as you want to be. Forget the cuts, in the long term it is aliteracy that is the biggest ally of the bully state. How many people vote for X Factor contestants? 8m? 10m? Orwell's "Books v Cigarettes" remains one of my favourite pieces of writing. 64 years on and it could have been written yesterday. Doesn't look like 1990 any more, Toto. Back then there were still people in the workforce with a first hand memory of the country pre the welfare state and the clean air act.
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ratcni01 916 posts |
Edited Oct 23, 2010, 22:45
Oct 23, 2010, 20:08
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If I believe, and I do, that showing my opinions on stuff like this is right then. Is it about having enough people around me to make it feel worth it for me or a question of doing whats seems best to me? The sad truth is that most people who will probably demonstrate on this issue are those prone to demonstrate about stuff. I have a feeling that getting up and actually doing stuff trying to influence what happens in society is a better option, for me at least. There was a mention of a ghandi saying earlier on the telly or radio something like "most things we do are insignificant, the point is not their significance but to keep doing them" (Edit: but it came out a lot better when he said it!")
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dodge one 1242 posts |
Oct 23, 2010, 21:26
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As allways......... And talking about a book that could have been today... Jack Londons's: 'People of the Abyss'. The more things change........... D1
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Edited Oct 24, 2010, 09:48
Oct 24, 2010, 09:04
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Do what ? Protest. That's what. Of course more people should vote, and as for the Primark brigade, it's just Bread and Circuses, as always. Business as usual. To paraphrase Bill Hicks 'Go back to sleep, Britain'.... It's the principle. There's many, many other people who are getting very angry. Not 1990 anymore ? No it's unchartered waters in 2010 and even if Protests don't bring about the desired effect, people who care shouldn't just sit on their arses in 'what's the point' mode. That's just completely giving in. ( ps: was Jeff Porcaro at the Poll tax Riots ? ) ;-)
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The Sea Cat 3608 posts |
Edited Oct 24, 2010, 10:03
Oct 24, 2010, 09:41
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Having read your post again Ian, the complacency and lack of informative intelligence you describe is a very good point indeed. However, I do think that the social ramifications of the coming incomparable agenda could provoke a very serious backlash indeed, as it strikes across the social sphere, barring the elite. 200,000 families being forced out of Inner London alone into the suburbs and beyond ? Shelter are warning of a terrible crisis rise in Homelessness ( we're setting up contingency plans with their help at work, just as the Social Welfare & Housing cuts pull the rug out) which will obviously increase crime, social tension. The average X Factor voting brigade are in serious danger due to the 80% rent hike in Social Housing, for example, let alone ESA reductions/restrictions. Single people under the age of 35 will no longer be able to claim Housing Benefit for a flat if they become unemployed, so it'll be very hard to find a bedsit, B & Bs will be full re. former Social Housing tenants, and therefore shop doorways will be at a premium. All this is only part of what's coming. Laying off PCOs, the North South divide again, the wanton destruction of the NHS, University fees, child benefit re. working mothers/couples, abhorrent welfare and disabilty payment cuts, there's very few households that will not be severely hit in one way or another, all for policies that will prove economically and socially catastrophic. The Tories are exacting their revenge and dismantling everything that's been decent about this society, warts and all, because they have an Agenda. Most of us are in it together, but not Maggie's Bullingdon Mafia. It could go either way IMO, mass protest/direct action, or not, and who can predict the outcome if there is ? One thing's for sure. Without any we are most certainly utterly fucked.
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