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The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat
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Re: Protest ?
Oct 29, 2010, 08:24
The Vodafone effect ? :

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-protest-works-just-look-at-the-proof-2119310.html
Rockabilly
Rockabilly
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Re: Protest ?
Oct 29, 2010, 09:48
The Sea Cat wrote:


Cheers for posting that only problem I have with it is that it has made me even more bleedin' angry.

Anyone with vodafone cancel you're contract now!
grufty jim
grufty jim
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Re: Protest ?
Oct 30, 2010, 13:45
Here in Ireland we're getting even more draconian cuts in public services than the UK, thanks to the spectacular mess made by private businesses (specifically banks and property developers). In both countries the decision to bail out these failed businesses is nothing less than a massive expropriation of public funds by the private sector. It's robbery, plain and simple, and it staggers me that the public is accepting it with so little opposition.

Over here, the government have openly stated that the bulk of the "correction" will be achieved through "cuts not taxes". Given that the poorest in society depend upon the public sector to a far greater degree than anyone else; the implication seems to be that it's somehow right that the poorest should suffer for the greed and stupidity of private business.

I'm not saying that the country can continue to support the public sector in its current form now that the economy has been torpedoed by business, but the apparent unwillingness to make the business community shoulder a fair share of the burden created, in large part, by themselves is beyond shameful.
The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat
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Edited Oct 30, 2010, 16:19
Re: Protest ?
Oct 30, 2010, 16:15
grufty jim wrote:
Here in Ireland we're getting even more draconian cuts in public services than the UK, thanks to the spectacular mess made by private businesses (specifically banks and property developers). In both countries the decision to bail out these failed businesses is nothing less than a massive expropriation of public funds by the private sector. It's robbery, plain and simple, and it staggers me that the public is accepting it with so little opposition.

Over here, the government have openly stated that the bulk of the "correction" will be achieved through "cuts not taxes". Given that the poorest in society depend upon the public sector to a far greater degree than anyone else; the implication seems to be that it's somehow right that the poorest should suffer for the greed and stupidity of private business.

I'm not saying that the country can continue to support the public sector in its current form now that the economy has been torpedoed by business, but the apparent unwillingness to make the business community shoulder a fair share of the burden created, in large part, by themselves is beyond shameful.


I know Jim, and it depresses and worries me. I'm an Irish citizen as well as a UK one, and I spend a lot of time In West Cork. I have personal concerns there, but luckily I am relatively unaffected. I follow it very closely indeed. Everything you have said is so succinct and incisive, sadly.
grufty jim
grufty jim
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Tangent
Oct 30, 2010, 16:55
The Sea Cat wrote:
I know Jim, and it depresses and worries me. I'm an Irish citizen as well as a UK one, and I spend a lot of time In West Cork. I have personal concerns there, but luckily I am relatively unaffected. I follow it very closely indeed. Everything you have said is so succinct and incisive, sadly.

Off on a tangent, but what part of West Cork? My folks live near Skibbereen and I spend a good deal of time down there (when you have an excuse to visit West Cork, why wouldn't you?)
The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat
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Edited Oct 31, 2010, 12:18
Re: Tangent
Oct 31, 2010, 08:07
grufty jim wrote:
The Sea Cat wrote:
I know Jim, and it depresses and worries me. I'm an Irish citizen as well as a UK one, and I spend a lot of time In West Cork. I have personal concerns there, but luckily I am relatively unaffected. I follow it very closely indeed. Everything you have said is so succinct and incisive, sadly.

Off on a tangent, but what part of West Cork? My folks live near Skibbereen and I spend a good deal of time down there (when you have an excuse to visit West Cork, why wouldn't you?)


I've got a place a couple of miles outside Drimoleague. I go over a lot. I'm going out again for a week at the end of November, hopefully. I know Skibbereen very well. It's a lovely place. I've spent many good times there, and also Clonakilty, Bantry, Baltimore etc. Very good for the head!

Where are you based then, Jim ?
The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat
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Re: Protest ?
Oct 31, 2010, 09:00
Apologies for yet another link, but this is a wonderful article:

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2010/10/principle-society-calls
grufty jim
grufty jim
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Re: Tangent
Oct 31, 2010, 13:14
The Sea Cat wrote:
I've got a place a couple of miles outside Drimoleague. I go over a lot. I'm going out again for a week at the end of November, hopefully. I know Skibbereen very well. It's a lovely place. I've spent many good times there, and also Clonakilty, Bantry, Baltimore etc. Very good for the head!

Where are you based then, Jim ?

I was born in Dublin, Sea Cat, but spent most of my life moving around -- all over Europe, plus spells in North Africa, the Middle East, North and South America. Recently I returned home and I've been living just outside Dublin for the past few years.

Though as I say, my folks retired to West Cork (a lovely place on the coast about 10 minutes from Skibb) so I visit often and know the area pretty well. Drimoleague's a nice spot -- equidistant from Bantry and Skibb... truly God's Country.
The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat
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Edited Oct 31, 2010, 14:04
Re: Tangent
Oct 31, 2010, 13:55
grufty jim wrote:
The Sea Cat wrote:
I've got a place a couple of miles outside Drimoleague. I go over a lot. I'm going out again for a week at the end of November, hopefully. I know Skibbereen very well. It's a lovely place. I've spent many good times there, and also Clonakilty, Bantry, Baltimore etc. Very good for the head!

Where are you based then, Jim ?

I was born in Dublin, Sea Cat, but spent most of my life moving around -- all over Europe, plus spells in North Africa, the Middle East, North and South America. Recently I returned home and I've been living just outside Dublin for the past few years.

Though as I say, my folks retired to West Cork (a lovely place on the coast about 10 minutes from Skibb) so I visit often and know the area pretty well. Drimoleague's a nice spot -- equidistant from Bantry and Skibb... truly God's Country.


You've definitely seen a lot of the world Jim ! I've travelled a bit, but only in an 'interesting holiday' context. I'm determined to visit India a few times as I'm very interested in ancient Vedic culture/philosophy. I spent many years living in London/Liverpool but I can't be doing with very large cities anymore. I'm in rural Somerset now, which I love, and work and personal life may take me to Bath or Dorset. I know that I'm very fortunate indeed that I can combine this with West Cork. Your folks live in a lovely area. I love roaming the peninsulas and getting the boat out to the islands! God's Country indeed.

Any excuse. This always gets me misty eyed :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S55C-SaBepA&feature=related

Sorry for the diversion , people.

Namaste.
jshell
333 posts

Re: Protest ?
Nov 01, 2010, 13:09
grufty jim wrote:
jshell wrote:
Right on the nail. The population are too worried about terrorists around every corner, the loss of their income/finances or the faux-threat of global wombling/sea levels/biodiversity etc, etc.

Dead right. That's why the population have stopped using their cars in their millions, significantly cut consumption of products imported from areas where biodiversity is under threat and started to demand massive investment in sea-defences and the relocation of vital infrastructure away from low-lying coastal areas.

Oh wait, no they haven't. So how exactly is this "worry" manifesting itself, jshell?


I'ts manifesting itself by keeping peoples awareness away from what is happening with global financial control and transfer. For example, the Thanet windfarm was accepted by the populace as necessary due to MMGW scares so no-one is mentioning or promoting the £1,200,000,000 subsidies given to the Swedish owners which will push up our fuel bills and help impoverish many, many people.

If you keep a population scared of >anything< they become controllable. The terrorism example is the perfect one. I have more chance of being killed falling down my stairs than any terrorist getting to me, but th elast govt brought in all sorts of anti-terror legislation that is being used in more and more unjust fashion.

grufty jim wrote:
EDIT: One more question, jshell... whatever about global warming; are you honestly suggesting that (a) biodiversity is unimportant to the health of humanity, and (b) industrial civilisation is not having a hugely negative effect on it?



No, I suggest neither. I simply do not believe that governments have all of a sudden become socially aware... There is an agenda, and it ain't save the trees/whales/chimps etc, etc. Again, give us your money and we'll save x, y and z.
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