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zerkalo 488 posts |
Edited Sep 29, 2010, 10:10
Sep 29, 2010, 10:10
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sanshee wrote: Seeing and listening to him more and more, he's a bit...wet. Not much clarity in his voice, and no command at all. A bit slurry. Christ, Cameron has that more 'authority' in that regard than him. How reassuring is that? Perhaps Ed needs to get his adenoids removed, or something. I remember a few wee boys from school getting that done coz they 'spoke through their noses', sounding like they had a permanent cold. x I must admit I hate the attitude that politics is all about presentation and spin that started with Phony Blair and has been continued with Cameron and Clegg. I voted for Ed not for his image, rather because his pre-election pledges got straight the point in a way more than any of the other candidates did. I'd rarely heard of the guy before the General Election but after reading his pledges I think he's a breath of fresh air. I'm also impressed that he's wasted no time in stating the decision to go to war against Iraq was wrong. I know after not voting Labour since the 2001 election because of that, this one of a number of things I needed to hear before returning to voting Labour. Seeing Harriet Harman clapping Ed Miliband on his Iraq statement and being pulled up by David Miliband was embarrassing, I hope time for those who supported the decision to go to war is coming to an end. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11426413
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Toni Torino 2299 posts |
Sep 29, 2010, 10:11
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Christ, that'd open up a whole new can of worms. He'd have to go National Health, wouldn't he? Sitting in a corridor between a kid with a pencil lodged up a nostril and a septum-lacking cokehead.
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Sep 29, 2010, 10:28
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Hehe. Mother's maiden name please! x
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Edited Sep 29, 2010, 10:37
Sep 29, 2010, 10:36
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Yeah, that Harriet Harman thing... I'm not speaking about 'spin' though, I'm speaking about command. Blair had that, the ability to look people in the eye and get all dierct on them. Shame he was such a fuck up when it came to 'other things'. Same with weasly Mandelson. Cameron would shit himself there and then having to deal with the likes of him. I find that incredibly important for all sorts of reasons. Can get fried alive by Paxman and the like. It'll happen. He already punctuates sentences with 'look' a hell of a lot. He'll have to hone his skills, I think. As it is, of course I'll support anyone whose job it is to get rid of the tories coz I detest them and always have. Ed M is an unmarried dad for one which I find refreshing, so same set up as us in that respect. That in itself could be a positive step away from the contrived importance of 'image and values' etc. Have to wait and see I suppose. x
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Toni Torino 2299 posts |
Sep 29, 2010, 10:47
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Heh! Are you: White/British [ ] White/Irish[ ] White/Polynesian[ ]
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Sep 29, 2010, 10:49
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Is the option 'I'm not telling you' still there I wonder? x
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zerkalo 488 posts |
Sep 29, 2010, 11:10
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sanshee wrote: Yeah, that Harriet Harman thing... I'm not speaking about 'spin' though, I'm speaking about command. Blair had that, the ability to look people in the eye and get all dierct on them. Shame he was such a fuck up when it came to 'other things'. Same with weasly Mandelson. Cameron would shit himself there and then having to deal with the likes of him. I find that incredibly important for all sorts of reasons. Can get fried alive by Paxman and the like. It'll happen. He already punctuates sentences with 'look' a hell of a lot. He'll have to hone his skills, I think. As it is, of course I'll support anyone whose job it is to get rid of the tories coz I detest them and always have. Ed M is an unmarried dad for one which I find refreshing, so same set up as us in that respect. That in itself could be a positive step away from the contrived importance of 'image and values' etc. Have to wait and see I suppose. x Aye it's very early days and only time will tell. Remember how wooden and wobbly Blair's early appearances as PM in front of TV cameras were though. And he'd already won a General Election by that stage, Ed Miliband hasn't. I can remember at the time commentators saying how obvious it was Blair was undergoing presentation coaching because of some of the exaggerated arm movements and intonations he'd throw up every so often. Then he was really chucked in at the deep end with the full glare of the world media after the Diana's death in Paris, that seemed to me at the time a bit of a turning point for the way Blair came across on screen. Anyway Ed's got alot of work to do if he's going to win back Labour voters regardless of his style. Just nice this week that his election has brought a small glimmer of hope after the disaster that was the General election to some of us disenchanted voters.
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Sep 29, 2010, 11:18
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Yeah, that's about how I see it. Certainly poops over Cameron in the 'natural intellect' respect. Cameron actually 'don't know things', the sorts of things yer leaders ought to. :-) x
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Merrick 2148 posts |
Sep 29, 2010, 15:59
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Kilgore Trout wrote: Cameron had to let loose the tiresome homophobe Baroness Warsi with a snarky soundbite. I loved her line, "Ed Miliband wasn't the choice of his MPs, wasn't the choice of Labour Party members but was put in to power by union votes." Yeah, voted in by millions of the people in the electoral college, what an outrage. As opposed to Baroness Warsi, in Cabinet despite being voted for by nobody at all.
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Kilgore Trout 95 posts |
Sep 29, 2010, 18:02
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She's (literally seconds ago!) just put her oar in over Daviband's exit from the shadow cabinet. I don't think she gets it to be honest. Although we should probably remember that New Labour turned hackneyed spin into the nauseating art form it is today. On the whole, i think the election of Ed might look a lot smarter a year or so down the line when folks may be looking for something remotely distinguishable from the aggressively cuts-driven Cameron model. That's assuming that the right-wing media haven't beaten him to a pulp already (as a supposedly shining example, our democracy is in a pretty weird, beleaguered state if you ask me). David seems to be the better orator at the moment (hopefully his brother will grow into it), but his outlook is too obviously Blair/Brown-esque to inspire anything more than groans. It's not just mythical 'middle England' that needs to be stirred. I'm personally not expecting miracles (as a pretty firm leftie, i'm sure i'll be rolling my eyes at Ed before long), but i do think it's worth getting behind even a flawed leader if they're going to have a chance of providing a decent alternative to... well, what's about to happen under the Coalition.
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