geoffrey_prime
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Re: Stop Thatcher having a state funeral
Aug 20, 2009, 10:38
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I am not going to waste my time outlining "Thatherism" to this board..which is awash with Thatcher policy experts.
So I am not going to bite either!
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Merrick
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Re: Stop Thatcher having a state funeral
Aug 20, 2009, 10:48
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If you make a claim, be prepared to explain and defend it. It's not just courtesy to but also validates the time spent making the claim in the first place. Refusing to back up what you say wastes everyone's time, including yours, and reduces the board to a tis/tisn't level.
Saying you 'won't bite' when you instigated the discussion is peculiar indeed. It may well appear to a reasonable third party that you don't actually have any sound explanation.
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pooley
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Re: Stop Thatcher having a state funeral
Aug 20, 2009, 12:50
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Merrick wrote: pooley wrote: I find the Idi amin Pinochet thing a bit ridiculous.
Indeed. It's a common thing for people to extend a principle to a more extreme example in order to show why the principle is wrong. I'm presuming you're intelligent enough to be able to do such imaginative thinking. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
Personally, I find picking out the second paragraph and dismissing it as 'ridiculous' is lazy. Laziness because it goes to no effort to be imaginative, to explain *why* you think that at all, and so serve no purpose other than to thumb your nose and go 'gah!'.
Argue the point, about the point and none of this nonsense.
OK, I'll do that. Oh no, hang on a minute, I'd already written that before the bit you take issue with.
Merrick wrote: Thatcher may go but Thatcherism survives.
Venerating her and what she stood for would make the world a worse place. whereas decrying her and having people be jubilant at her demise and dropping her cadaver down a disused mine shaft would lead to people understanding that there is a widespread hatred of her for what she did and what she stood for.
Merrick, I think you make some valid points on this, and other posts. Don't agree with all of them, but you wouldn't expect me to.
I just am ot in favour of that style of arguing - the extending a principle to a more extreme example in order to show why the principle is wrong - because it is such a blunt tool. And Unhelpful. And largely useless. different situations demand different arguements - you could use what youb said to explain why Hitler should have a state funeral - or why Churchill shouldn't. Why we shoul;d have invaded Iraq, why we shouldn't.
I know you like it, and find it useful - I don't. Sorry
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pooley
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Re: Stop Thatcher having a state funeral
Aug 20, 2009, 12:51
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Vybik Jon wrote: Patience and patronisation?
You're a generous man, pooley.
No problem - should I pass on that info on to you?
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Vybik Jon
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Re: Stop Thatcher having a state funeral
Aug 20, 2009, 13:52
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Nah.
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pooley
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Re: Stop Thatcher having a state funeral
Aug 20, 2009, 14:16
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Vybik Jon wrote: Nah.
Ha!!
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Toni Torino
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Re: Stop Thatcher having a state funeral
Aug 20, 2009, 14:23
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I think the point that everyone is trying to get you to understand is that you refuse to engage in the debate and would rather argue in seemingly interminable detail about how the terms of the debate. You sidestep the debate.
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pooley
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Re: Stop Thatcher having a state funeral
Aug 20, 2009, 14:27
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Toni Torino wrote: I think the point that everyone is trying to get you to understand is that you refuse to engage in the debate and would rather argue in seemingly interminable detail about how the terms of the debate. You sidestep the debate.
maybe,
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geoffrey_prime
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Re: Stop Thatcher having a state funeral
Aug 20, 2009, 17:39
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I was expressing my view, following Pooleys comment:
"Ah let her have it. She aint the problem any more, and the more anger you direct at her the less you have to direct at things you may actually be able to make a difference about".
Forgive me, I agree with your point, in principle...but "selling" anything remotely right-of-centre to this group is just pointless...you know that.
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PMM
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Re: Stop Thatcher having a state funeral
Aug 20, 2009, 18:14
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Stray wasn't asking you to sell Thatcherism. He was asking you to define it. Maybe he thinks you don't know what you're talking about. Why not use this opportunity to prove him wrong?
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