tiompan
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Re: uffington horse and the sun
Aug 18, 2017, 21:08
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It's not a galloping horse , it's static a hill figure .
The author of the paper imagined it was galloping and we know where that got him .
I'm happy to look at as it is , or galloping , either way it's not heading off into the sunset .
Is the train example far enough ? No sunset to the right there .
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tjj
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Re: uffington horse and the sun
Aug 18, 2017, 21:12
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tiompan wrote: tiompan wrote: There is no precision required , the problems are obvious and gross .
The author suggests that the horse appears to be moving to the west ,a quick look at his plans , with no need for a measure shows this to be wrong . No science required , if he hadn't raised the nasty angles and alignments argument by mentioning west in the first place the refutation would never had been needed .
It is a static object , with a fixed orientation , that is a given, as the other Aubrey B said "Surely it is not my fault that they fall into certain lines and angles " , but if you do imagine where it might be moving to and you know the area you will know that it galloping towards Uffington Castle and the round barrow ,you would also know that it is not running towards any sunset , it is actually avoiding them all .
Surely it's horsiness can be seen from around this area http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1015913
the sunset will not be on your right then , but sunrise will and that is how the sun horsey types work , everything with a direction and a head fits into their schema even if it the right or the left is towards areas where the sun doesn't rise or set .
Come to think of it ,if you are on the train which runs roughly east to west and you can see the Horse as June did then your right is facing north or south depending on direction travel , somewhere the sun never sets or rises .
I can't really participate in this discussion as am away on family business. Interesting debate of course - the comment I made previously about the train was simply regarding the observation that at 8.00pm on 23 July the setting sun appeared to flood Uffington Hill with golden light. It felt like an illuminating moment. I thought of my father who died on 24 July some years ago. That's all. No grand theories to add.
Best as ever
J
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tiompan
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Re: uffington horse and the sun
Aug 18, 2017, 21:16
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Depending on where you are it could be a slight shift not a major turn .Something we do all the time and less than some of the contortions lower down looking up towards the figure . But you are still falling into the right and left trap of the horsey types , it proves nothing .
A major component of their theory is the presence of the sun or a sun symbol associated with the carrier it seems to be missing in this case .
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thesweetcheat
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Re: uffington horse and the sun
Aug 18, 2017, 21:19
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tiompan wrote: It's not a galloping horse , it's static a hill figure .
The author of the paper imagined it was galloping and we know where that got him .
I'm happy to look at as it is , or galloping , either way it's not heading off into the sunset .
Is the train example far enough ? No sunset to the right there .
Travelling from Didcot to Swindon, facing direction of travel, autumn or winter evening. The sun is setting slightly SW of the direction your train is travelling in (WSW) but visible from your seat if you look forward left.
Now turn your head 90 degrees to the left to look at the horse out of the window. Looking in the direction of the horse, the sunset is now to the right of the direction you are looking in.
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tiompan
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Re: uffington horse and the sun
Aug 18, 2017, 21:32
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I doubt that you really do have any faith in the right handed stuff but here are another two pics of the horse and the sun set is not to the right from the observing position .
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/couple-walking-through-a-field-of-long-high-res-stock-photography/133658931
You have to click on a few pics toget the right horse
http://www.secretearth.com/attractions/2014-white-horse-hill-walk
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thesweetcheat
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Re: uffington horse and the sun
Aug 18, 2017, 21:35
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I must be missing something as I can't see any sunsets in either of those links.
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tiompan
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Re: uffington horse and the sun
Aug 18, 2017, 21:38
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They were of the horse and the sunset from the observing position was not to the right .
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Evergreen Dazed
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Re: uffington horse and the sun
Aug 18, 2017, 21:40
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tiompan wrote: They were of the horse and the sunset from the observing position was not to the right .
Aye. In the first one more like behind the observer, perhaps? (Winter)
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thesweetcheat
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Re: uffington horse and the sun
Aug 18, 2017, 21:56
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tiompan wrote: They were of the horse and the sunset from the observing position was not to the right .
The photos in your link are close up and at a position that doesn't allow the viewer to even see the whole horse. But even from there, if the sun is behind the viewer as ED suggests, the horse is still running generally towards it, not away from it, as the horse is clearly angled so that the head is nearer to the viewer than the tale is. The horse is going to run past the viewer as it heads along the side of the hill, it's not running away from them.
From the train, which is one of the best angles to see the horse as a horse without taking to the air:
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/post/37824/uffington_white_horse.html
The sunset would be over to the viewer's right, out of shot.
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Evergreen Dazed
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Re: uffington horse and the sun
Aug 18, 2017, 21:59
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thesweetcheat wrote: tiompan wrote: They were of the horse and the sunset from the observing position was not to the right .
But even from there, if the sun is behind the viewer as ED suggests, the horse is still running generally towards it
No it isn't! I have absolutely no idea how you are you arriving at that conclusion.
It is very obviously not running generally towards it under those circumstances.
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