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revnox 92 posts |
Jun 03, 2010, 13:34
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"Well, stuff left where it didn't oughta has no finer points I reckon, only fine words designed to excuse it. Holy moley, leave nothing but footprints, how come this thread isn't a universal confirmation of that principle and how come it's said to be more complicated than that? Who knows? But of course following such logic the stones and sites themselves are to be considered litter. I think you know it's more complex? I have to say as voice of dissent (it appears to me) to feel rather besieged for just standing up for others rights/freedoms of expression, if they do no harm.
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revnox 92 posts |
Jun 03, 2010, 13:38
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juamei wrote: Snip, snap, snout, Our tale's told out. or in more common parlance, "Pull the other one, its got bells on it". What?
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goffik 3926 posts |
Jun 03, 2010, 14:18
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Ooh, calm down, dear! :D It's the old ego again, isn't it? If i quoted you it was purely by chance. It was purely and simply a reply to Jamie. Nothing to do with you or anyone else. Move along now. Atb G x
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juamei 2013 posts |
Jun 03, 2010, 14:27
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I was implying, somewhat obliquely I grant you, that you had forsaken argument and were merely now trolling. Upon further consideration however I now think you never intended to have a rational discussion and were actually just aiming to eat a goat crossing the bridge all along...
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revnox 92 posts |
Jun 03, 2010, 14:29
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goffik wrote: Ooh, calm down, dear! :D It's the old ego again, isn't it? If i quoted you it was purely by chance. It was purely and simply a reply to Jamie. Nothing to do with you or anyone else. Move along now. Atb G x I thought this forum was for serious discussions. Is it my fault you accidentally quoted me? Where is the ego there, I fail to comprehend how your mistake becomes my ego? I think it would be fair to say that this insistence on passing blame for your mistakes and then accrediting it to an others ego is in fact very egotistical! I fail to understand why on earth you would post attempts at contention and inflammatory remarks when they are so confused. I am sorry if I am misreading this but being addressed as Dear and old fruit and told to calm down seemed designed to get a rise. I am at a loss as to why?
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goffik 3926 posts |
Jun 03, 2010, 14:48
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Lol! Nice try, M. Bye! :) G x
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jun 03, 2010, 15:12
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I am sure you are correct Mr swift, as are the finer points of curtailing freedoms methinks. Yep, that's what the foxhunters and metal detectorists say. Show me someone that is obsessed with "freedum" and I'll show you a toothless Alabamian up a dirt track anxious to keep his constitutional right to bear arms. Give me a wimpish besuited spectacled Massachussets lawyer who thinks they should be stopped, every time. I STILL haven't heard anyone put up any sort of justification for people ignoring ASLaN. Citing the supremacy of minority freedoms won't do.
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revnox 92 posts |
Jun 03, 2010, 15:15
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goffik wrote: Lol! Nice try, M. Bye! :) G x See! What is this about? It was not a try at anything, nice or otherwise! You made an assertion and I countered, that is a discussion/debate. If you cannot answer with out baiting and silly remarks what is the point?
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Mustard 1043 posts |
Jun 03, 2010, 15:17
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nigelswift wrote: How long is it that most pagans have been asking the self-gratifying minority of their fellows to keep to the ASLaN charter (which FULLY explains its own raison d'etre?) There's no such thing as "pagans" though. It's a blanket term that encompasses a huge variety of different beliefs and traditions, so referring to "them" as a generic group is pretty pointless. nigelswift wrote: It's like the metal detectorists, 13 years and £20 million of state financed "education and persuasion" and most of them still don't tell anyone what they find. And some people STILL think their own wishes outrank the ASLaN charter. All this "the best way is to persuade, not condemn" is all very well but after how many years of failure to persuade is it OK to condemn? ;) The difference being, it's reasonable to assume that people who leave offerings feel some kind of connection to the beauty of the sites that they're visiting, so I would imagine they would potentially be receptive to reasonable dialogue. Sometimes, it's about explaining things to people in a way that they can understand. Whether you feel justified in condemning or not, it's never going to be constructive, because as soon as you condemn someone you just get their backs up and they'll dig their feet in even further. nigelswift wrote: Take the little scrote that writes "Shite" in red spray paint on trees, walls, houses, windows and windscreens round my way. Should we recognise it's "complicated" and gently explain to him over a period of perhaps 11 years (the age of the ASLaN Charter) why, despite his personal conviction he is adding to the charm of the town and appeasing the Stourport Bogle, we think it's a tad antisocial, as is being suggested for these off-their-rocker offerers, or should we get him to clean it all up with his tonsils? Eh? Eh? :>) Not quite the same as hanging a plastic flower from a tree though, eh?
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revnox 92 posts |
Jun 03, 2010, 15:21
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Mustard wrote: nigelswift wrote: How long is it that most pagans have been asking the self-gratifying minority of their fellows to keep to the ASLaN charter (which FULLY explains its own raison d'etre?) There's no such thing as "pagans" though. It's a blanket term that encompasses a huge variety of different beliefs and traditions, so referring to "them" as a generic group is pretty pointless. nigelswift wrote: It's like the metal detectorists, 13 years and £20 million of state financed "education and persuasion" and most of them still don't tell anyone what they find. And some people STILL think their own wishes outrank the ASLaN charter. All this "the best way is to persuade, not condemn" is all very well but after how many years of failure to persuade is it OK to condemn? ;) The difference being, it's reasonable to assume that people who leave offerings feel some kind of connection to the beauty of the sites that they're visiting, so I would imagine they would potentially be receptive to reasonable dialogue. Sometimes, it's about explaining things to people in a way that they can understand. Whether you feel justified in condemning or not, it's never going to be constructive, because as soon as you condemn someone you just get their backs up and they'll dig their feet in even further. nigelswift wrote: Take the little scrote that writes "Shite" in red spray paint on trees, walls, houses, windows and windscreens round my way. Should we recognise it's "complicated" and gently explain to him over a period of perhaps 11 years (the age of the ASLaN Charter) why, despite his personal conviction he is adding to the charm of the town and appeasing the Stourport Bogle, we think it's a tad antisocial, as is being suggested for these off-their-rocker offerers, or should we get him to clean it all up with his tonsils? Eh? Eh? :>) Not quite the same as hanging a plastic flower from a tree though, eh? Thank you mustard!!!!!!!!! A reasoned voice.
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