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Branwen
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Edited Oct 25, 2009, 01:34
Re: Calling Branwen, re jet
Oct 25, 2009, 01:19
These are pictures of the kind of necklaces you saw, I guess.
http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/results.php?offset=37&no_results=12&scache=41jiz2au42&searchdb=scran&sortby=&sortorder=ASC&field=&searchterm=%2BJET

They are usually found in burials from the bronze age, older women usually, I was told at the museum, and more common in Scotland than elsewhere. There was a small amount of jet from Mull and those islands on West coast, but most jet came from whitby.

I'm supposing jet is sacred as an inbetween thing, neither stone, nor wood, with electrostatic properties. It would have been an easy thing to carve, at any rate. I find it easier than wood in many ways. Though more delicate.

Jet had connections with bear/serpent religious practices too. Ancient writers recorded the beleif that it protected and cured serpent bites, for instance, or could be used as a test for virginity! Little carved bear charms or talismans, or just toys (we love our teddy bears still), used to be left in graves of children (bear goddess is the foster mother of mankind).

This is just a cute bear pic, lol
http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/playful-polar-bear-001.jpg

Jet is supposed to absorb a person's aura, the necklaces might have had something to do with that, keeping a little part of the person behind by the grave for ancestor worship, maybe. It was used as mourning jewellery much later in Victorian times the same way, but the living kept some hair from the deceased in lockets of jet while they were in mourning, so their aura was with you always, not by the grave. I've been commissioned to make replicas of those necklaces for people who have altzeimers in the family before, as they think it will help them remember who they are longer.
tjj
tjj
3606 posts

Edited Oct 25, 2009, 09:23
Re: Calling Branwen, re jet
Oct 25, 2009, 09:22
Branwen wrote:
These are pictures of the kind of necklaces you saw, I guess.
http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/results.php?offset=37&no_results=12&scache=41jiz2au42&searchdb=scran&sortby=&sortorder=ASC&field=&searchterm=%2BJET

They are usually found in burials from the bronze age, older women usually, I was told at the museum, and more common in Scotland than elsewhere. There was a small amount of jet from Mull and those islands on West coast, but most jet came from whitby.

I'm supposing jet is sacred as an inbetween thing, neither stone, nor wood, with electrostatic properties. It would have been an easy thing to carve, at any rate. I find it easier than wood in many ways. Though more delicate.

Jet had connections with bear/serpent religious practices too. Ancient writers recorded the beleif that it protected and cured serpent bites, for instance, or could be used as a test for virginity! Little carved bear charms or talismans, or just toys (we love our teddy bears still), used to be left in graves of children (bear goddess is the foster mother of mankind).

This is just a cute bear pic, lol
http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/playful-polar-bear-001.jpg

Jet is supposed to absorb a person's aura, the necklaces might have had something to do with that, keeping a little part of the person behind by the grave for ancestor worship, maybe. It was used as mourning jewellery much later in Victorian times the same way, but the living kept some hair from the deceased in lockets of jet while they were in mourning, so their aura was with you always, not by the grave. I've been commissioned to make replicas of those necklaces for people who have altzeimers in the family before, as they think it will help them remember who they are longer.


Thanks for taking the the trouble to answer Branwen, very interesting indeed, I didn't know that jet was used in mourning during the Victorian times but logical, I guess. The jet 'belt slider' objects were curious too.

(PS: love the bear pictures)

June
Branwen
824 posts

Edited Oct 25, 2009, 14:36
Re: Calling Branwen, re jet
Oct 25, 2009, 14:02
http://whitbyjet.net/definition.html

This website has a clear description of how yet forms, and why the centre of the tree trunk keeps its grain and shape more tha the outside, becoming siliconised instead of compressed.

This site below has more.
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba70/feat3.shtml

I found this fact most interesting:

We can tell by the degree of wear that some of the jet pieces probably came from 'heirloom' necklaces already 200-300 years old by the time they were reused.

Makes me wonder if the necklaces were broken when put in the grave, and some of the essence of the person given to descendants in the form of some beads to start their own necklace.

and this:

Most of these necklaces come from graves, and where the sex of the deceased has been determined, it is allegedly almost always female. However, at Tara in Ireland, one was definitely worn by a young man

Shows it wasn't just women. The Greeks said jet was sacred to the moon goddess, and perhaps its wearers were devotees, mostly, but not always, women.
tjj
tjj
3606 posts

Edited Oct 25, 2009, 18:26
Re: Calling Branwen, re jet
Oct 25, 2009, 18:23
Branwen wrote:
http://whitbyjet.net/definition.html

This website has a clear description of how yet forms, and why the centre of the tree trunk keeps its grain and shape more tha the outside, becoming siliconised instead of compressed.

This site below has more.
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba70/feat3.shtml

I found this fact most interesting:

We can tell by the degree of wear that some of the jet pieces probably came from 'heirloom' necklaces already 200-300 years old by the time they were reused.

Makes me wonder if the necklaces were broken when put in the grave, and some of the essence of the person given to descendants in the form of some beads to start their own necklace.

and this:

Most of these necklaces come from graves, and where the sex of the deceased has been determined, it is allegedly almost always female. However, at Tara in Ireland, one was definitely worn by a young man

Shows it wasn't just women. The Greeks said jet was sacred to the moon goddess, and perhaps its wearers were devotees, mostly, but not always, women.


Branwen I just knew you would have a store of knowledge about this subject, thanks again for your second post and also for the poems ... both suitably dark (I particularly like the John Donne one).

Apologies to Michael Bott and Rupert Soskin for side-tracking their thread.

June
Rupert Soskin
234 posts

Re: Calling Branwen, re jet
Oct 25, 2009, 18:39
[/quote]

Apologies to Michael Bott and Rupert Soskin for side-tracking their thread.

June[/quote]



No apology necessary, it's about time somebody did:-)
Branwen
824 posts

Edited Oct 25, 2009, 19:26
Re: Calling Branwen, re jet
Oct 25, 2009, 19:24
::charmed by Roberts gallantry:: (been told off for hijacking on another thread lol)

Thing is... the geologist on one of those links describes how you chip away all the surrounding, easy to remove jet, and in the centre is a perfectly fossilised tree trunk, the core which never got wet. If I found something like that in the neolithic, I'd be pretty amazed and stick it in a sacred cave too, I think.
baza
baza
1308 posts

Re: Chamber pillar a fossil tree trunk? No
Jul 15, 2017, 17:30
https://tinkinswoodarchaeology.wordpress.com/2017/02/05/the-blueschist-stone-pillar-inside-bryn-celli-ddu/
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
6216 posts

Re: Chamber pillar a fossil tree trunk? No
Jul 15, 2017, 17:58
That's an interesting article, I like Ffion Reynold's blog very much.

As we've been walking round the Anglesey coast path this year, the unfolding geology has been amazing to see, so many different types of rock in spectacular formations. Close to Ffynnon Eilian on the north coast there is a plaque fixed to a rock outcrop that marks the place where Edward and Annie Greenly completed their geological survey of Anglesey in 1910. It took them 15 years and is an amazing achievement.
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