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Beautiful Day 779 posts |
Nov 12, 2007, 12:05
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fauny fergus wrote: And then there's the United Bible Stories peoples and variants thereof based asround Deserted Village records (last time i checked their website was knackered but it may be fixed now). For me one of the highlights of Deserted Village has been the Magickal Folk releases that seem to be able to carry off those Steeleye style accapella's and early ISB style mysticism pretty convincingly. Their cdr only releases are getting a proper cd release (if it hasn't come out already) which they thoroughly deserve.
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shanshee_allures 2563 posts |
Nov 12, 2007, 13:10
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Heard King Creosote murder the soul out of 'Fine Horeseman' on the mighty Maconie show. Totally misses the point! Off on a tangent a bit here, butI find it strange that some things in 'folk' are considered more 'pure' and 'traditional 'than others,and that somehow there is such a thing as a year zero. I find the bloke and the acoustic guitar the least worthy contender, as I'm sure waye backe in the daye you were more likely to hear these ballads set to instrumentation a million miles from that! Also, dunno why, but the female voice always evokes something earthier and more elusive for me, the male ok as a backdrop. I sort of like Nic Jones tho. Now I'm ranting, so best shoosh! x
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embryonomore 853 posts |
Nov 12, 2007, 13:21
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I used to be in one of those bands. I'm quite surprised to see this mentioned here.
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oxford stu 402 posts |
Nov 12, 2007, 13:33
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Can't agree with you re Lakeman. He may have been hijacked slightly by the radio 2 crowd but he is, imo, a fine performer whose songs reflect his background and surroundings, that's folk, innit? as for rusby, she is just the more popular edge of folk, too safe for a lot of people but again, her songs are fairly well routed in her surroundings and tradition. the main problem she has is that everything sounds the same after a while, including her stage patter. Folk is astrange thing, there is so much variety there, a lot of which divides opinions sharply.
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Beautiful Day 779 posts |
Nov 12, 2007, 13:41
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shanshee_allures wrote: Heard King Creosote murder the soul out of 'Fine Horeseman' on the mighty Maconie show. Totally misses the point! Off on a tangent a bit here, butI find it strange that some things in 'folk' are considered more 'pure' and 'traditional 'than others,and that somehow there is such a thing as a year zero. I find the bloke and the acoustic guitar the least worthy contender, as I'm sure waye backe in the daye you were more likely to hear these ballads set to instrumentation a million miles from that! Also, dunno why, but the female voice always evokes something earthier and more elusive for me, the male ok as a backdrop. I sort of like Nic Jones tho. Now I'm ranting, so best shoosh! x It's such a glib term "folk" innit, and like you say guitars would have nothing to do with certain styles of music we lump under the folk umbrella. Ever see that film "Songcatcher" about a female Victorian academic who goes off and spends several months in the Appalachian mountains collecting ballads. Well there's a young girl in that who sings alot of these old hand-me-down ballads unaccompanied, many of which are of Irish and Scots origin but have evolved into something completely of their own making over maybe 200 years or so, well hearing that girl in the film pretty much sums up my own personal definition of what folk music is all about, not the style but the passing down of something, maybe through time changing to become contemporary and relevant to it's new location and maybe taking on a new meaning etc. Some might find the performances of those ballads in that film a bit sanitized, after all it was quite a mainstream film, but it sure as hell gives me a shiver down my spine when I watch and see that girl singing them tunes. Going back to the John Barleycorn thing, I think the fella that put the comp together nailed it in a wee essay he wrote on this kind of debate called "Don't Use the F-Word" on his blog here http://wovenwheatwhispers.blogspot.com/ Personally for me if music is good it doesn't matter where it comes from or what the genre is but more often than not when it comes to folk if it makes me want to get up and dance, or if it tugs the heart strings then it's served it's purpose for me :)
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shanshee_allures 2563 posts |
Nov 12, 2007, 14:07
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Beautiful Day wrote: Ever see that film "Songcatcher" about a female Victorian academic who goes off and spends several months in the Appalachian mountains collecting ballads. No, never seen it, but reminds me of one of my lecturers at Stirling University. She based part of her PHD on old uncredited Ballads and how they are translated into song. Might sound as intellectually redundant as some of the new Mastermind topics (;-)), but she had a hell of a lot of history to plow through and she studied the whole tradition from both here and the US. I only studied with her briefly as she was taking us through part of a module we had to do. Miss those times I do:-( x
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Beautiful Day 779 posts |
Nov 12, 2007, 14:24
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sounds really interesting, btw what year were you at Stirling if you don't me asking, I did my first degree there in the late 80's, would love to go back and visit as haven't been back since '93. Hoping to maybe stay nearby next year for a holiday, Aberfoyle or somewhere like that
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shanshee_allures 2563 posts |
Nov 12, 2007, 14:40
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I was there about 2001-3. Doing English Language and Literature part time, had a babe since, so had to go down OU route, but will finish it all off next year! The grounds at Stirling are beautiful. I rememeber the bunnies were so tame, come right up to you! But the swans freaked me out (I'm scared of 'em for no good reason!). Shame about the 60's concrete though. x
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Beautiful Day 779 posts |
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Nov 12, 2007, 14:52
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shanshee_allures wrote: I was there about 2001-3. Doing English Language and Literature part time, had a babe since, so had to go down OU route, but will finish it all off next year! The grounds at Stirling are beautiful. I rememeber the bunnies were so tame, come right up to you! But the swans freaked me out (I'm scared of 'em for no good reason!). Shame about the 60's concrete though. x yeah it's a beautiful campus. when I was there the rabbits were everywhere especially up on the golf course and alot of them seemed to have something that resembled mixxy. Never forget one winter staying in a hall of residence bewteen autumn and spring semester rather than go back home and the weather being so bad that deer would come down from Dumyat and the hills behind to scavenge food from the back of the residences, an amazing sight. The only place I've ever been too where I've seen the Northern Lights, albeit faintly. Happy days.
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Trish 285 posts |
Nov 13, 2007, 12:23
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Stu, haave you heard Show of Hands? They inspired Rusby and Lakeman and are, in my opinion, bloody geniuses! www.showofhands.co.uk t xxx
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