Shrimp
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Re: Negative Reviews
Jul 11, 2004, 19:56
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its for you to make ur own mind up over elp and anything else - just go forth n do it or continue to do it as the case may be
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Popel Vooje
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Re: Do it!
Jul 11, 2004, 20:01
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Yeah, and I don't know whether the Lemon Pipers strictly qualify as bubblegum, but their album track "Through With You" is a blinder.
Funnily enough, the track on tjhat anthology that floated my boat the most was the Banana Splits "Wait Till Tomorrow". Actually remembered having heard it on reruns of the show as a kid but hadn't heard it since, so I got quite a weird feeling from that one.
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Dog 3000
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Lemon Pipers
Jul 11, 2004, 20:12
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The Lemon Pipers are very schizo -- some of their stuff is bubblegum-to-the-max. All those songs written by the Leka-Pinz songwriting team: Green Tamboruine or course, also followup singles like "Jelly Jungle" and "Rice Is Nice" (diabetics should avoid these sweets!)
But then there was another side of the band that wanted to be more like The Doors!! They did a few longass "heavy" workouts which sound like they were by an entirely different group. Check out a 10 minute track like "Fifty Year Void"! These were the songs the groups members themselves actually wrote, but they were used as "album filler" and not put out as singles.
In other words, they were a "real band" that got a lucky break hit single which turned out to kill their career since they were typecast as"bubblegum" forever more.
Yes, Lemon Pipers definitely ARE bubblegum -- it's a subgenre dominated by producers, professional songwriting teams & the marketing dept, and they certainly fit the bill.
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Dog 3000
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Re: Negative Reviews
Jul 11, 2004, 20:22
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TWO TIMES, UNH! UNH!
Word again!
In fact I might borrow some of your language there, as I've been writing a proposal for a new radio show exactly focused on this "HEAD" music (same project as when I was looking for name suggestions a couple weeks ago) . . . I need to succinctly explain how my "format" is going to include everything from Stockhausen to Kool Keith, but still be an actual focused show. In fact far more focused in it's diversity than the more narrow genre-defined shows. (doink!)
In otherwords, a non-format format which isn't afraid to peak into any corner of our "head heritage" -- i.e., much like the Unsung review section here has been (and hopefully will remain.)
But I take exception to this phrase: "Formatting might work for radio . . . "
Only in the commercial sense. I'd like to think radio can still be something more than a conduit for advertising.
"Formats" suck.
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cancer boy
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Re: Lemon Pipers
Jul 11, 2004, 20:27
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Yeah, the Shadows of Knight were another lot that crossed over - their late 60s album on Super K was definitely tending in the pure bubblegum fluff direction. It's rumoured that line up of the band did the backing tracks for Yummy Yummy Yummy and Chewy Chewy among others. Has anyone read that "Bubblegum Music Is The Naked Truth" book that came out a couple of years back? Any good? Maybe the answers are contained therein...
NP Professor Morrison's Lollipop "Ooh-Poo-Pa-Susie" :-)
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Dog 3000
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Re: Lemon Pipers
Jul 11, 2004, 21:36
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Interesting . . . I always thought those Fruitgum tunes were pretty slammin' . . . I mean that stuff is hard rock (candy) compared to The Archies . . .
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Dog 3000
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And just want to mention!
Jul 11, 2004, 21:43
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Daddy Dewdrop's "Chick-A-Boom (Don't Ya Jes' Love It)"
Total classic!
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Lugia
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Re: Negative Reviews
Jul 11, 2004, 22:26
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OK, rephrase that to "formatting might work for 98% of radio..." ;) I did community radio myself...two years in the early 90s on a wall-2-wall ambient mix show and then a couple more in the middle of the decadesas part of the crew on a little assault called "A Dangerous Place". And it was a lot like what you're proposing, although we always had this "maybe we're fucking with you and maybe we're not" stance to it. For example, doing segues such as going from George Crumb's "Songs, Drones and Refrains of Death" into Dave Dudley's "Six Days On the Road" in our "Trucks 'n' Death" themed-show. I recall one time a listener called up and requested some GWAR, and we all jumped on the phone..."GWAR!? You are OUR kind of listener, bub!!"...then played "Gonna Kill You" off their new "Unplugged" album.
And see, this is the problem. How much radio is like this? Virtually none. Listeners aren't being CHALLENGED. The radio has become this wireless pipeline of poo in nearly all cases...even many college stations now follow formatting by the book. And because of this, people now think in tight categories, because their music comes packaged to them like that.
I recall...distinctly...the period right around the end of the 1960s and the beginning of the 70s, when I was a kid and there were still free-format DJs. DJS!! People who made the musical choices themselves, who let you into their sonic world. And freeform was astounding...even in li'l ol' Nashville where I grew up, late night on FM we had freeformers and I remember listening quietly in bed to a little radio to this stream of consciousness artwork. But it wasn't long after that that Lee Abrams reared his ugly head...the inventor of the original AOR and CHR formatting, who poisoned the whole goddamned thing and who brought the means of turning radio...GOOD radio, LOCAL radio, INVENTIVE radio...into crap.
Goddamned pigfucker...
Anyway, I can't recall radio, outside of college radio, being interesting much past about 1976. And then when the indie promoters really got their hooks into matters in the early 90s, even college airplay turned to schlock. Now we have whole generations who hardly know what radio has the potential of being. Stations like WFMU (a prime example of where the mayhem still lives) are few and far between. But they still set the pace for those with taste; you can't find a ClearChannel or Infinity station that can truly say that.
So, yeah, Dog...I'm down 199%. You gotta fight for your right to party in ways much moreso than the Beasties implied in that song of theirs. To get some real Dancing In Your Head going on, it takes a LOT of different grooves.
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Dog 3000
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No man, you are down at least 250%.
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Billy Milk
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Re: And just want to mention!
Jul 11, 2004, 23:18
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can i plug the turtles here? battle of the bands is fabulous...
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