phallus dei
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Re: Trump. Vaguely cheering news.
Jul 17, 2018, 02:23
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Rhiannon wrote:
Trump did condemn the KKK presence at the rally -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/14/trump-denounces-kkk-neo-nazis-as-justice-department-launches-civil-rights-probe-into-charlottesville-death/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4319e5010cc6
I guess he isn't afraid of losing the insignificant KKK vote?
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phallus dei
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Re: Trump. Vaguely cheering news.
Jul 17, 2018, 02:32
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Captain Starlet wrote: When you see people spout rhetoric akin to Hitler they're Nazis. When you see people doing nazi salutes, they're Nazis. When you see people adopt the same ideologies of hate, racism and ignorance, they're nazis.
Stop pretending its not happening, that's how it happened the last time!
You are conflating a marginalized group of extremists not at all associated with Trump with Trump and the majority of his supporters. Don't worry, America is in no danger of going fascist - at least not of the typical Hitler, Mussolini variety. We may be on the verge of succumbing to a new technocratic form of fascism, though, enslaved by Google, Facebook, Apple, and the like. That I am quite worried about.
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nigelswift
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Re: Trump. Vaguely cheering news.
Jul 17, 2018, 07:42
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"Clearly, the underlying problem isn't guns, but something else".
The problem is people saying that.
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Captain Starlet
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Re: Trump. Vaguely cheering news.
Jul 17, 2018, 08:20
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Which is exactly how the Nazis got started. They were also a marginalised group. America is already going fascist, I think many people these days are too afraid to admit (or realise) that as we're supposed to have learned from history. We haven't.
In comparison the only reason I'm concerned about the likes of facebook is their god awful community standards that allow hate groups on there.
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Captain Starlet
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Re: Trump. Vaguely cheering news.
Jul 17, 2018, 08:21
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No Nazis here!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-38057104/hail-trump-white-nationalists-mark-trump-win-with-nazi-salute
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Locodogz
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Edited Jul 17, 2018, 15:08
Re: Trump. Vaguely cheering news.
Jul 17, 2018, 15:08
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Nice balance!
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Locodogz
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Re: Trump. Vaguely cheering news.
Jul 17, 2018, 15:19
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.............tumbleweed............
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phallus dei
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Edited Jul 18, 2018, 01:36
Re: Trump. Vaguely cheering news.
Jul 18, 2018, 01:22
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Captain Starlet wrote:
America and the UK both have fascists. But a picture of some thugs doing a Nazi salute isn't enough to prove that they are a significant force in either country. Look on the internet long enough, and you will no doubt find pictures of Communists, radical Muslims calling for Sharia law, and who knows what else. Those groups aren't significant forces in the UK or US, either.
If you want to look at a place where fascism actually is a danger, look at present-day Ukraine. There, fascists are active members of the government, and serve as extra-legal enforcers of "justice." And yet, back in 2013-15, these groups were armed and encouraged by the very same groups who are most loudly decrying Trumpian "fascism" today. I don't know, does Obama's support of Ukrainian fascism make him a fascist?
Here's a recent article which asks the same question from an Israeli perspective:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727
In these precarious times, we all need to better develop our critical reasoning skills, so as to not be deceived yet again by our "leaders."
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phallus dei
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Re: Trump. Vaguely cheering news.
Jul 18, 2018, 01:34
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nigelswift wrote: "Clearly, the underlying problem isn't guns, but something else".
The problem is people saying that.
Please elaborate on what you see as the basis of "the problem", and if possible, propose a "solution." Otherwise your comments are simply a case of "I'm right and you're wrong," which is inherently undebatable.
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Rhiannon
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Re: Trump. Vaguely cheering news.
Jul 18, 2018, 08:43
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Respectable governments of the UK and the US don't usually court the vote of extremists though. Trump's failure to condemn the people doing the saluting and the marching is accepting their support by omission, and it emboldens that sort of nazi saluting nutcase to think their head of state is on their side. They start thinking they're mainstream.
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