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spencer
spencer
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Edited Sep 12, 2015, 14:20
Live interview
Sep 12, 2015, 14:12
Starts on BeebNews 14-15ish EDIT: cancel that. Parliament Sq 16-00 ish
ron
ron
706 posts

Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 12, 2015, 16:10
Rhiannon wrote:
do you know, I never got my bloody ballot despite chivvying them and getting a patronising email about checking my junk email folder.

I am not impressed.



yes... but u-won... u-know... perhaps they cast ur ballot for u?

theguardian.com wrote:
During his three decades in parliament, Corbyn has spent much of his time championing causes such as the Stop the War coalition, campaigning against the private finance initiative and supporting peace efforts in the Middle East.


oh dear he does sound like a loon... i fear for the island's future with daft leaders such as this...
carol27
747 posts

Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 12, 2015, 19:09
spencer wrote:
John Smith and Robin Cook will be smiling down, but I wish they were in the flesh. Do I think both met unnatural ends? Yes. There are forces that will not countenance the idea of a Corbyn premiership, which, if he has captured the youth vote as well as he seems to, IS totally possible..and overall, the Beeb's just said, he's got a significantly greater mandate than Bliar when elected leader. Long live Jeremy Corbyn. I want to vote Labour again, and never thought I would. Millions of people who have not just been disaffected with the party but politics as a whole will be thinking likewise, whatever the Sun says. Welcome back, real politics, welcome back, real principle. Please stay. Roll on PMQs. However Cameron, via his team of scriptwriters, may belittle and bluster, he will be standing before a person of far, far greater moral fibre, and the public will see this. Hello party reform. Goodbye New Labour. Goodbye Jamie Reid (who?), Rachel Reeves and Tristram Hunt and others to come, you will not be missed. (Serious) game on. I can't wait.


And far greater intelligence. A good day.
Sin Agog
Sin Agog
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Edited Sep 12, 2015, 20:16
Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 12, 2015, 20:11
Corbyn's first PMQS appearance back in 1990: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhEPyjolGQQ
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 12, 2015, 21:42
One thing that has struck me recently is how passionate politics can be. With so many bland career politicians (dis)gracing the stage these days it's so pleasing and refreshing to see someone with actual principles and someone who's willing to defend them under the closest of scrutiny.

It's a strange time to be around these days (politically) and certainly a time that's going to see a lot of change, whether good or bad I don't know but it'll be interesting to see.
tjj
tjj
3511 posts

Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 13, 2015, 08:40
I'm glad about Jeremy Corbyn's election as leader of the Labour Party but I can't somehow muster up the spirit of rejoicing that others have. My niece works voluntarily as secretary of the Local Labour Party and was very happy yesterday (I'm proud of her). In a FB discussion someone whose views I respect mentioned the issue of 'population levels' and received the reply from someone else (who I also respect) "what's not to like about being anti-war, anti-nukes and anti-austerity". All measured and valid comments. Population levels do cause concern to a large number of people in this country, some of our towns and cities are over crowded with issues like multiple occupancy housing, high rents, closed doctors lists, lack of school places and long waits for medical/hospital appointments all very real. Other more affluent parts of the country never see these problems because they come with being just an ordinary citizen, not necessarily poor. Better off people in pretty villages and small towns are protected by the fact you have to be fairly loaded, upwardly mobile and not dependent on public transport to live there. Allowing immigration with no restrictions (and I'm not talking about refugees) will only reduce the quality of life for those 'ordinary citizens'. Inspired by my niece I will probably now join my local Labour Party but I fully intend to speak out on issues that the celebrators yesterday would rather not address.
Hear, hear for realistic Socialism, good public transport systems, green energy, a sound NHS and I think that should also include some restraint on immigration.
Oh, and by the way - here's another point ....
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/12/jeremy-corbyn-not-one-female-voice?CMP=fb_gu
Captain Starlet
Captain Starlet
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Edited Sep 13, 2015, 15:04
Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 13, 2015, 13:48
Please not that stupid article! I'd give it credence if it wan't just pointless complaining! Here's the crux, which A LOT of women agree with me on. If a woman was worth voting for she'd have been elected! The two women, which filled 50% of the candidates led very poor and negative campaigns so they didn't get in. That's how democracy works and if Suzanne Moore and her fans don't like it, tough shit!

Here's another point on that. Does any one supporting that article remember how many women were involved in the 2010 leadership? I'll give you a clue, it was 1 (after Diane Abbot dropped out early in the process) and not one of these faux feminists complained about it then! So I'm not going to take that article seriously!

EDIT: If you look at Suzanne Moore's Twitter she describes herself as a "Man-hating corporate shill." The article she wrote really shows that.

The immigration figures for this country weren't as high as they are now under Labour. Yeah they rose and then dropped. It's actually the tories who've failed on immigration and the figures show that failure. I believe the intake for 2014 was approx 250.000, much much higher than any time when Labour were in. However those figures do not include people leaving the country so the immigration argument is always skewed.

Something else to remember with immigration is that the people don't always tay here a long time. It's not a benefit free for all as the press like to say at all and they don't get it easy. Many immigrants coming here stay for a few years and go home again. Think about it this way, if they didn't we'd have a population reaching approx 150 million by now!
Astralcat
Astralcat
742 posts

Edited Sep 14, 2015, 08:50
Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 13, 2015, 18:23
Captain Starlet wrote:
Please not that stupid article! I'd give it credence if it wan't just pointless complaining! Here's the crux, which A LOT of women agree with me on. If a woman was worth voting for she'd have been elected! The two women, which filled 50% of the candidates led very poor and negative campaigns so they didn't get in. That's how democracy works and if Suzanne Moore and her fans don't like it, tough shit!

Here's another point on that. Does any one supporting that article remember how many women were involved in the 2010 leadership? I'll give you a clue, it was 1 (after Diane Abbot dropped out early in the process) and not one of these faux feminists complained about it then! So I'm not going to take that article seriously!

EDIT: If you look at Suzanne Moore's Twitter she describes herself as a "Man-hating corporate shill." The article she wrote really shows that.

The immigration figures for this country weren't as high as they are now under Labour. Yeah they rose and then dropped. It's actually the tories who've failed on immigration and the figures show that failure. I believe the intake for 2014 was approx 250.000, much much higher than any time when Labour were in. However those figures do not include people leaving the country so the immigration argument is always skewed.

Something else to remember with immigration is that the people don't always tay here a long time. It's not a benefit free for all as the press like to say at all and they don't get it easy. Many immigrants coming here stay for a few years and go home again. Think about it this way, if they didn't we'd have a population reaching approx 150 million by now!


Example of dodge the issue there. In the meantime, more and more housing needs and the ramifications on our countryside, population levels per se, but hey, let's keep it a political feel good stand rather than a rational ecological one.
Astralcat
Astralcat
742 posts

Edited Sep 13, 2015, 18:28
Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 13, 2015, 18:25
Astralcat wrote:
Captain Starlet wrote:
Please not that stupid article! I'd give it credence if it wan't just pointless complaining! Here's the crux, which A LOT of women agree with me on. If a woman was worth voting for she'd have been elected! The two women, which filled 50% of the candidates led very poor and negative campaigns so they didn't get in. That's how democracy works and if Suzanne Moore and her fans don't like it, tough shit!

Here's another point on that. Does any one supporting that article remember how many women were involved in the 2010 leadership? I'll give you a clue, it was 1 (after Diane Abbot dropped out early in the process) and not one of these faux feminists complained about it then! So I'm not going to take that article seriously!

EDIT: If you look at Suzanne Moore's Twitter she describes herself as a "Man-hating corporate shill." The article she wrote really shows that.

The immigration figures for this country weren't as high as they are now under Labour. Yeah they rose and then dropped. It's actually the tories who've failed on immigration and the figures show that failure. I believe the intake for 2014 was approx 250.000, much much higher than any time when Labour were in. However those figures do not include people leaving the country so the immigration argument is always skewed.

Something else to remember with immigration is that the people don't always tay here a long time. It's not a benefit free for all as the press like to say at all and they don't get it easy. Many immigrants coming here stay for a few years and go home again. Think about it this way, if they didn't we'd have a population reaching approx 150 million by now!


Spectacular example of dodge the issue there. In the meantime, more and more housing needs and the ramifications on our countryside, population levels per se, but hey, let's keep it a political feel good stand rather than a rational ecological one.


And if any smart bumcheek starts spouting available hectares and acres at me I'll shove a dead badger in a Tesco trolley up their arse.

Peace & Love ;-)
Sin Agog
Sin Agog
2279 posts

Re: Jeremy Corbyn
Sep 13, 2015, 19:21
It's funny how those most irate about immigration tend to live in the middle of nowhere.
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