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tiompan 5758 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 23:27
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: nigelswift wrote: Hmmm, not sharing knowledge isn't confined to academics then! I said i will, when me little old legs are done, i haven't finished by a long shot yet. [ i said 38 but i had to ask my missus as i feel younger- doesn't time fly when you start getting older?] What are thee finds ? A fully intact little flint hand axe [ knapped and polished], parts of axes, spear points, various blades, scrapers, arrowheads and even a flint spoon from norfolk plus loads of different flint tools plus a couple of really old [mesolithic] flint axes and some microliths and lots of bits of beakers, mainly from lincolnshire, norfolk and cornwall, the flint does stand out more here in cornwall because its against the granite. That's why it was always strange finding it in lincolnshire and norfolk, i was never looking, i couldn't see knapped flint in a field full of flint, we was been shown where the settlements were, as they have mostly been [in lincolnshire and norfolk] ploughed out by 4500 years of farming, we would find ourselves in a field somewhere and get a feeling we had been taken to an old settlement and bang we'd stoop down and pick up clearly worked lovely flint pieces [ i know plough damaged flint ], yes we'd found somewhere, it has always happened like that, it's how i've learned about loads of long gone places. Could you show us some pics ? I will do when i can get my daughter to find me the time to help me put them on the computer as i'm useless, i can take the pictures though, what should we do with the pictures, i suppose i could put the little axe picture on the zennor site as it was laying in the peat near some nearby barrows, the other stuff [from new sites] maybe send you personally. look out for the zennor one first as she'll do that one as she's done it before for me and it'll be quick enough for her busy live [ well thats what she puts across ]. The axes , particualrly the Mesolithic one would be interesting . It's not too difficult to put them on here although you might have to make a site page if it was not found close to anything that is already noted here . One was from the field where west ashby henge once was, the other near branston near lincoln [ no known site] plus big mesolithic flint blade from manton warron near scunthope. the flint spoon was a few 100 yards from a barrow near grimes graves [ i know where it all came from]. You should have reported and recorded them all. A flint spoon ? would that be a first for Britain ? grimes grave barrow ? ,at least a few hundred yards away suggests it might not actually be within the scheduled site .
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 23:28
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: nigelswift wrote: Hmmm, not sharing knowledge isn't confined to academics then! I said i will, when me little old legs are done, i haven't finished by a long shot yet. [ i said 38 but i had to ask my missus as i feel younger- doesn't time fly when you start getting older?] What are thee finds ? A fully intact little flint hand axe [ knapped and polished], parts of axes, spear points, various blades, scrapers, arrowheads and even a flint spoon from norfolk plus loads of different flint tools plus a couple of really old [mesolithic] flint axes and some microliths and lots of bits of beakers, mainly from lincolnshire, norfolk and cornwall, the flint does stand out more here in cornwall because its against the granite. That's why it was always strange finding it in lincolnshire and norfolk, i was never looking, i couldn't see knapped flint in a field full of flint, we was been shown where the settlements were, as they have mostly been [in lincolnshire and norfolk] ploughed out by 4500 years of farming, we would find ourselves in a field somewhere and get a feeling we had been taken to an old settlement and bang we'd stoop down and pick up clearly worked lovely flint pieces [ i know plough damaged flint ], yes we'd found somewhere, it has always happened like that, it's how i've learned about loads of long gone places. Could you show us some pics ? Field walking often produces exactly these types of artefacts on a regular basis . Those who do so never suggest the result of their finding the material is anything other than being in the right place and having a good eye and would laugh at anything mystical be being the cause of their finds . I don't think they find all this without even looking, we are taken to it, the fact you can't get your head round it doesn't make it not true [here we go again!!!]. field walkers look at the ground , i look at the landscape, i only look at the floor sometimes to make sure i don't fall over. No it is simple , people find things all the time ,whether they look at the landscape or not we never suggest anything mystical . I think you might be surprised how much, it's only been happening over the last year and a half, i've been visiting places since the 90's and never found anything, thats weird in itself. Sometimes people don't find stuff .Not necessarily weird .
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bladup 1986 posts |
Edited Aug 06, 2012, 23:46
Aug 06, 2012, 23:45
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tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: nigelswift wrote: Hmmm, not sharing knowledge isn't confined to academics then! I said i will, when me little old legs are done, i haven't finished by a long shot yet. [ i said 38 but i had to ask my missus as i feel younger- doesn't time fly when you start getting older?] What are thee finds ? A fully intact little flint hand axe [ knapped and polished], parts of axes, spear points, various blades, scrapers, arrowheads and even a flint spoon from norfolk plus loads of different flint tools plus a couple of really old [mesolithic] flint axes and some microliths and lots of bits of beakers, mainly from lincolnshire, norfolk and cornwall, the flint does stand out more here in cornwall because its against the granite. That's why it was always strange finding it in lincolnshire and norfolk, i was never looking, i couldn't see knapped flint in a field full of flint, we was been shown where the settlements were, as they have mostly been [in lincolnshire and norfolk] ploughed out by 4500 years of farming, we would find ourselves in a field somewhere and get a feeling we had been taken to an old settlement and bang we'd stoop down and pick up clearly worked lovely flint pieces [ i know plough damaged flint ], yes we'd found somewhere, it has always happened like that, it's how i've learned about loads of long gone places. Could you show us some pics ? Field walking often produces exactly these types of artefacts on a regular basis . Those who do so never suggest the result of their finding the material is anything other than being in the right place and having a good eye and would laugh at anything mystical be being the cause of their finds . I don't think they find all this without even looking, we are taken to it, the fact you can't get your head round it doesn't make it not true [here we go again!!!]. field walkers look at the ground , i look at the landscape, i only look at the floor sometimes to make sure i don't fall over. No it is simple , people find things all the time ,whether they look at the landscape or not we never suggest anything mystical . I think you might be surprised how much, it's only been happening over the last year and a half, i've been visiting places since the 90's and never found anything, thats weird in itself. Sometimes people don't find stuff .Not necessarily weird . 14 years nothing , last year and a half loads, i think thats weird, took some photos of little hand axe, i will try to get my daughter to put them on the zennor site if she's not to drunk when she rolls in later, it looks nice though, i've seen plenty of axes and this ones an unusual little thing, knapped on one side , smooth the other and highly polished blade. Look out for the photos tomorrow.
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 06, 2012, 23:52
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tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: nigelswift wrote: Hmmm, not sharing knowledge isn't confined to academics then! I said i will, when me little old legs are done, i haven't finished by a long shot yet. [ i said 38 but i had to ask my missus as i feel younger- doesn't time fly when you start getting older?] What are thee finds ? A fully intact little flint hand axe [ knapped and polished], parts of axes, spear points, various blades, scrapers, arrowheads and even a flint spoon from norfolk plus loads of different flint tools plus a couple of really old [mesolithic] flint axes and some microliths and lots of bits of beakers, mainly from lincolnshire, norfolk and cornwall, the flint does stand out more here in cornwall because its against the granite. That's why it was always strange finding it in lincolnshire and norfolk, i was never looking, i couldn't see knapped flint in a field full of flint, we was been shown where the settlements were, as they have mostly been [in lincolnshire and norfolk] ploughed out by 4500 years of farming, we would find ourselves in a field somewhere and get a feeling we had been taken to an old settlement and bang we'd stoop down and pick up clearly worked lovely flint pieces [ i know plough damaged flint ], yes we'd found somewhere, it has always happened like that, it's how i've learned about loads of long gone places. Could you show us some pics ? I will do when i can get my daughter to find me the time to help me put them on the computer as i'm useless, i can take the pictures though, what should we do with the pictures, i suppose i could put the little axe picture on the zennor site as it was laying in the peat near some nearby barrows, the other stuff [from new sites] maybe send you personally. look out for the zennor one first as she'll do that one as she's done it before for me and it'll be quick enough for her busy live [ well thats what she puts across ]. The axes , particualrly the Mesolithic one would be interesting . It's not too difficult to put them on here although you might have to make a site page if it was not found close to anything that is already noted here . One was from the field where west ashby henge once was, the other near branston near lincoln [ no known site] plus big mesolithic flint blade from manton warron near scunthope. the flint spoon was a few 100 yards from a barrow near grimes graves [ i know where it all came from]. You should have reported and recorded them all. A flint spoon ? would that be a first for Britain ? grimes grave barrow ? ,at least a few hundred yards away suggests it might not actually be within the scheduled site .
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bladup 1986 posts |
Edited Aug 06, 2012, 23:58
Aug 06, 2012, 23:56
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: nigelswift wrote: Hmmm, not sharing knowledge isn't confined to academics then! I said i will, when me little old legs are done, i haven't finished by a long shot yet. [ i said 38 but i had to ask my missus as i feel younger- doesn't time fly when you start getting older?] What are thee finds ? A fully intact little flint hand axe [ knapped and polished], parts of axes, spear points, various blades, scrapers, arrowheads and even a flint spoon from norfolk plus loads of different flint tools plus a couple of really old [mesolithic] flint axes and some microliths and lots of bits of beakers, mainly from lincolnshire, norfolk and cornwall, the flint does stand out more here in cornwall because its against the granite. That's why it was always strange finding it in lincolnshire and norfolk, i was never looking, i couldn't see knapped flint in a field full of flint, we was been shown where the settlements were, as they have mostly been [in lincolnshire and norfolk] ploughed out by 4500 years of farming, we would find ourselves in a field somewhere and get a feeling we had been taken to an old settlement and bang we'd stoop down and pick up clearly worked lovely flint pieces [ i know plough damaged flint ], yes we'd found somewhere, it has always happened like that, it's how i've learned about loads of long gone places. Could you show us some pics ? I will do when i can get my daughter to find me the time to help me put them on the computer as i'm useless, i can take the pictures though, what should we do with the pictures, i suppose i could put the little axe picture on the zennor site as it was laying in the peat near some nearby barrows, the other stuff [from new sites] maybe send you personally. look out for the zennor one first as she'll do that one as she's done it before for me and it'll be quick enough for her busy live [ well thats what she puts across ]. The axes , particualrly the Mesolithic one would be interesting . It's not too difficult to put them on here although you might have to make a site page if it was not found close to anything that is already noted here . One was from the field where west ashby henge once was, the other near branston near lincoln [ no known site] plus big mesolithic flint blade from manton warron near scunthope. the flint spoon was a few 100 yards from a barrow near grimes graves [ i know where it all came from]. You should have reported and recorded them all. A flint spoon ? would that be a first for Britain ? grimes grave barrow ? ,at least a few hundred yards away suggests it might not actually be within the scheduled site . No it isn't, i will get round to all that one day, no rush at the moment, i'm still in the middle of it all, and when you have it in your hand you can't help but think of a spoon, you even start scooping. I do know where everything comes from though, thats the important bit, it's all written down, also marked on maps and last but not least it's all in my head.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Aug 07, 2012, 07:30
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bladup wrote: Well my reality is certainly different to yours!!! Actually, it's perception that's different not reality. You perceive that past life regression leads you to settlements and the evidence is all the finds you make. The perception of others is that those artefacts don't constitute evidence of what you say. You COULD strengthen your claim (an artefact-finding competition!) but I have a sneaking feeling you'd be vehemently against any sort of testing process.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Edited Aug 07, 2012, 08:29
Aug 07, 2012, 08:24
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bladup wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: nigelswift wrote: Hmmm, not sharing knowledge isn't confined to academics then! I said i will, when me little old legs are done, i haven't finished by a long shot yet. [ i said 38 but i had to ask my missus as i feel younger- doesn't time fly when you start getting older?] What are thee finds ? A fully intact little flint hand axe [ knapped and polished], parts of axes, spear points, various blades, scrapers, arrowheads and even a flint spoon from norfolk plus loads of different flint tools plus a couple of really old [mesolithic] flint axes and some microliths and lots of bits of beakers, mainly from lincolnshire, norfolk and cornwall, the flint does stand out more here in cornwall because its against the granite. That's why it was always strange finding it in lincolnshire and norfolk, i was never looking, i couldn't see knapped flint in a field full of flint, we was been shown where the settlements were, as they have mostly been [in lincolnshire and norfolk] ploughed out by 4500 years of farming, we would find ourselves in a field somewhere and get a feeling we had been taken to an old settlement and bang we'd stoop down and pick up clearly worked lovely flint pieces [ i know plough damaged flint ], yes we'd found somewhere, it has always happened like that, it's how i've learned about loads of long gone places. Could you show us some pics ? I will do when i can get my daughter to find me the time to help me put them on the computer as i'm useless, i can take the pictures though, what should we do with the pictures, i suppose i could put the little axe picture on the zennor site as it was laying in the peat near some nearby barrows, the other stuff [from new sites] maybe send you personally. look out for the zennor one first as she'll do that one as she's done it before for me and it'll be quick enough for her busy live [ well thats what she puts across ]. The axes , particualrly the Mesolithic one would be interesting . It's not too difficult to put them on here although you might have to make a site page if it was not found close to anything that is already noted here . One was from the field where west ashby henge once was, the other near branston near lincoln [ no known site] plus big mesolithic flint blade from manton warron near scunthope. the flint spoon was a few 100 yards from a barrow near grimes graves [ i know where it all came from]. You should have reported and recorded them all. A flint spoon ? would that be a first for Britain ? grimes grave barrow ? ,at least a few hundred yards away suggests it might not actually be within the scheduled site . No it isn't, i will get round to all that one day, no rush at the moment, i'm still in the middle of it all, and when you have it in your hand you can't help but think of a spoon, you even start scooping. I do know where everything comes from though, thats the important bit, it's all written down, also marked on maps and last but not least it's all in my head. The axe in the pic from Zennor is a cracker ,odd that it is flint in a such an area where greenstone (group 1 ) was the main source . It should be seen and recorded and possibly provenanced .
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tjj 3606 posts |
Aug 07, 2012, 08:40
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Have to be honest and say I haven't been followed this exchange as it started to give me a headache. I congratulate you both on your endurance ... and look at the result. We have photos of some of Bladup's finds and his rather lovely paintings. You are clearly a great mentor Tiompan! All the best J
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Aug 07, 2012, 11:44
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: nigelswift wrote: I just meant your experience at the site is adequate for you but is of no value to anyone else who is trying to work out what happened there. Why not? i would be interested if it was someone else. In this field subjective impressions usually tell us more about the person , their culture and period they live in than the object being experienced . But boy i have a lot of objects, that is the proof-----real items, beautiful items, not something in my head [i get shown it, i don't even look!!], i'm to busy looking at the landscapes, people may be able to use metal detectors for metal, but theres nothing like that for what i end up with. People find objects all the time , it doesn't mean they have been led to them , although some may believe so from a religio/mystico perspective .Those who find things without that perspective put it down to hard work ,being in the right place ,study , having an understanding of where to expect to find these things , luck and other unconscious motivations that could be subsumed under intuition , which is in effect knowing without knowing , the norm of everyday consciousness . If that's the case why doesn't it happen to everyone with that level of knowledge, i'm not even looking which of course does open up the subconscious but that still doesn't answer why it doesn't happen to everyone who isn't looking, is pessimism a hobby or just a personal trait? There is more to it than just knowledge . Is gullibility a hobby or just a personal trait . Look , if someone disagrees you it's better to argue the point rather than resort to cheap jibes all those closed mind /open mind , pessimism /optimism binary oppositions are a waste of time that contribute nothing , if that's all you have to offer don't expect replies . Sorry but i'll do and say what i want, it's nothing to do with you, just leave it then and i'll leave you alone and you tell me if gullibility is a hobby or a personal trait [i feel you may know], it really does sound like all your knowledge is out of books anyway, i don't get a sense of anything really coming from you, everyones wrong on certain things but at least it all comes from myself [i can't read very well so i ain't no book whore], just look though your books and you WILL find that they are full of "facts" that aren't "facts" anymore. Nobody suggests that you don't do what you want ,feel free . But if you are looking for a dicussion don't be rude , we a can all do that but it is not helpful on a discussion group , that's best kept for face to face real life situations . If you make comments that are stated as facts as in the case of these from many posts ago "Stone circles have nothing left in them [thats why archeologists don't like them] and when they do find stuff it's from a different age [romans liked leaving coins] to when the circle was built, " then expect to be corrected . Just because you believe/imagine something to be true doesn't make it so . But the mad thing is the comments you keep quoting "stone circles have not a lot in them [ that's why they don't interest a lot of archeologists] are from books not me, so even that backs me up- books and academics are normally full of shit------yes even more shit than the mystics. For someone who is so anti books it's odd you mentioning having 100's of books , Burl ,Barnatt etc and are the only one ever to mention them . If the famous erroneous comment came from a book then it is clearly wrong ,you should have mentioned where the comment came from . If we relied on the beliefs of mystics or those who believe simply communing with a site will provide an explanation for when and possibly why it was built instead of relying upon excavation we would still be talking about "Druidical altars " , "Danes graves " " fairy mounds " witches stones" etc . I really like the pictures [before we had the internet] and they have been used for finding places and the like, and it's probably 1000's, stop picking , i feel like you're pocking me , we are not alike apart from stubborness, but i like the fact we are interested in similar things yet come from different angle [ neither really more important than the other], and those names you speak of probably have more than their little toe in truth. Pointing out errors is not picking on anyone . If I make a mistake point it out , it helps . What names ? Druidical altars, danes graves, fairy mounds and witches stone sure beat [placename] a, b and c, like some of the modern names, at worst people from the past had good imaginations, at best the older place names may have some vestige of truth in them, something else that would be very hard to prove one way or the other. The names are a wonderful insight into the thinking of antiquarians and locals. The point is that they are inaccurate beliefs/imaginings . Because of a scientific approach we now know that they are often much older , possibly less romantic for some but much more interesting for others and a better model of the reality of the situation than we had previously .
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bladup 1986 posts |
Aug 07, 2012, 13:02
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tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: nigelswift wrote: Hmmm, not sharing knowledge isn't confined to academics then! I said i will, when me little old legs are done, i haven't finished by a long shot yet. [ i said 38 but i had to ask my missus as i feel younger- doesn't time fly when you start getting older?] What are thee finds ? A fully intact little flint hand axe [ knapped and polished], parts of axes, spear points, various blades, scrapers, arrowheads and even a flint spoon from norfolk plus loads of different flint tools plus a couple of really old [mesolithic] flint axes and some microliths and lots of bits of beakers, mainly from lincolnshire, norfolk and cornwall, the flint does stand out more here in cornwall because its against the granite. That's why it was always strange finding it in lincolnshire and norfolk, i was never looking, i couldn't see knapped flint in a field full of flint, we was been shown where the settlements were, as they have mostly been [in lincolnshire and norfolk] ploughed out by 4500 years of farming, we would find ourselves in a field somewhere and get a feeling we had been taken to an old settlement and bang we'd stoop down and pick up clearly worked lovely flint pieces [ i know plough damaged flint ], yes we'd found somewhere, it has always happened like that, it's how i've learned about loads of long gone places. Could you show us some pics ? I will do when i can get my daughter to find me the time to help me put them on the computer as i'm useless, i can take the pictures though, what should we do with the pictures, i suppose i could put the little axe picture on the zennor site as it was laying in the peat near some nearby barrows, the other stuff [from new sites] maybe send you personally. look out for the zennor one first as she'll do that one as she's done it before for me and it'll be quick enough for her busy live [ well thats what she puts across ]. The axes , particualrly the Mesolithic one would be interesting . It's not too difficult to put them on here although you might have to make a site page if it was not found close to anything that is already noted here . One was from the field where west ashby henge once was, the other near branston near lincoln [ no known site] plus big mesolithic flint blade from manton warron near scunthope. the flint spoon was a few 100 yards from a barrow near grimes graves [ i know where it all came from]. You should have reported and recorded them all. A flint spoon ? would that be a first for Britain ? grimes grave barrow ? ,at least a few hundred yards away suggests it might not actually be within the scheduled site . No it isn't, i will get round to all that one day, no rush at the moment, i'm still in the middle of it all, and when you have it in your hand you can't help but think of a spoon, you even start scooping. I do know where everything comes from though, thats the important bit, it's all written down, also marked on maps and last but not least it's all in my head. The axe in the pic from Zennor is a cracker ,odd that it is flint in a such an area where greenstone (group 1 ) was the main source . It should be seen and recorded and possibly provenanced . It is and it will be, the beaches in this part of cornwall have lots of flint nodules on [i was really surprised a few years ago when i noticed], marazion beach near st michaels mount has loads and in marazion marsh there is an archaeological flint site. It's probably about timescales, it would have been a lot quicker to make something out of flint than greenstone, but the flipside is a greenstone one should last a lot longer.
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