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FourWinds 10943 posts |
Apr 28, 2007, 19:24
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Once upon a time in Ireland a faction of the Christian church didn't have anywhere to practice their faith and so the moved to the fields and worshiped at stones known as mass rocks. As soon as it was legal to be a Catholic they quickly abandoned tis practice, bought land and built more 'appropriate' temples. I've often wondered why modern pagans don't do similar. Surely one great way to show that you're serious, both to other people and to your gods is to dedicate the time and resources to erecting a temple yourself. I am amazed that more hasn't been done in this way. I have nothing against people having ceremonies at sites unless they leave litter or stop other people enjoying the place - and by this I mean things like telling folks to piss off from public places and getting aggressive because there's a ceremony on or something ... and I've had this happen. I'd love to see some new Oak groves planted or new stone circles built if that's what folks want to do. The modern ones built throughout Wales for the Eisteddfods etc are great (as long as it's made clear that they're modern and why they were built. So, come on all you pagans. Do some lovely temple building.
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Apr 28, 2007, 23:02
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Good points FW. Sometime ago, on another site, I suggested that a new circle be constructed where people could go and do their thing without being harassed. People replied by saying that stones could be donated by folks in different parts of the world. Looking back now on the suggestion it seems more than a bit naive. How many stones? How do you align them? Where do you do it? Not to mention the nightmare scenarios associated with insurance, health and safety etc. If it's ever going to happen perhaps it'll only happen because one person has the vision and the means to do it. Meanwhile there's the little matter of tradition. All belief systems have a place where their belief was born (Bethlehem, Ganges, Ise, Jerusalem, Lumbini, Mecca etc) and associated places where those beliefs have been followed for hundreds of years. These places become sacred and places of pilgrimage where fellow believers meet and share their belief. Modern paganism in the West is still trying to find it's feet, and it's not surprising that modern pagans look towards Avebury and Stonehenge as focal points for their beliefs. It's all too easy for us to say, "Nah, they've got it all wrong, Druids and pagans never were there." But you know, at a place like Avebury, their really is room for latter-day Druids and pagans to do their thing on a few days each year while the residents get on with their lives for the rest of the time.
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JohnDee007 23 posts |
Apr 29, 2007, 10:28
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andygreyweather wrote: Wouldn't it be great if every St Georges day weekend ... as many people as can find time visited the Avebury henge and formed a huge circle around the Nazi's ... then everyone should simply laugh and point at them ... then the mantra should grow ever louder "Out, out, out ...". Oh yeah, have you noticed that these British fascists often carry flags with ... Lizard creatures on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would you then feel safe enough to point your camera?
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wysefool 107 posts |
Apr 29, 2007, 14:38
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Yep. I hear what you're saying. It's a shame that a few make a bad name for the many. All respect to you for being at the Beanfield. WF
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earthlingdave 285 posts |
Apr 29, 2007, 14:58
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totally correct paulus, i thought this kinda irrelevant shit was sorted in a previous world war.
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FourWinds 10943 posts |
Apr 29, 2007, 15:45
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I fully agree that there's room for such things at Avebury. I would say that not every Christian goes to Bethlehem each year nor does every Muslim head for Mecca each year. Even if you make somewhere you spiritual centre it doesn't mean the whole faith has to go there for every celebration. As to the amount of stones needed at a new site ... that's for the builders to decide. It's part of he responsibility of organising a faith. You could make it mark out every important date in the calendar. There must be some pagan lawyers out there who could draw up a bit of paper to get around the insurance thing. If people are serious about doing things for their faith and something happens to them while they're building a temple surely that's a message from their gods and they probably got something wrong ;-)
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andygreyweather 94 posts |
Edited Apr 29, 2007, 21:42
Apr 29, 2007, 16:33
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Should Islam confront a bunch of nuts who want to chop kids heads off on video in the name of Islam? Should Judaism confront those Jews who attended the Iranian Holocaust denial conference in Terhan to lend a perverse regime its support? Should Odinists confront the mag lite wielding romper stompers who toss off over the rantings of Himmler? Should all Americans be held responsible for the actions of a President? It's sad that some express overt sympathy for bad and misguided people ... though they'd probably say it was OK for black magic rituals involving animal and human sacrifice, rape and torture to go on. Some of the people on here have a very Edwardian 'Ooh you mustn't mention them dear' way about them ... will neo-fascist loonies go away if we ignore them?
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Apr 29, 2007, 16:51
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As to the amount of stones needed at a new site ... that's for the builders to decide. Aye, that's true enough. We could also purchase and restore an existing circle of course - that would lend a degree of legitimacy and 'continuity' to the project. Before being thrown out of the Winterbourne Bassett circle a few years back, by the then owner, I offered to buy the place from him; he wasn't too pleased with the proposal and headed off to get his shotgun :-) Still, The Winterbourne Bassett circle would be a nice place to call our own - five minutes' walk to the White Horse pub and only twenty minutes' walk into Avebury... On second thoughts, I can hear the screams of not-in-our-back-yard. M'be there's somewhere in Ireland where we could establish our Church of Latter-day Megalithic Maniacs :-)
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Paulus 769 posts |
Edited Apr 29, 2007, 21:40
Apr 29, 2007, 21:02
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andygreyweather wrote: Should Islam confront a bunch of nuts who want to chop kids heads off on video in the name of Islam? Should Judaism confront those Jews who attended the Iranian Holocaust denial conference in Terhan to lend a perverse regime its support? Should Odinists confront the mag lite wielding romper stompers who toss off over the rantings of Himmler? Should all Americans be held responsible for the actions of a President? It's sad that some express overt sympathy for bad and misguided people ... though they'd probably say it was OK for black magic rituals involving animal and human sacrifice, rape and torture to go on. Some of the people on here have a very Edwardian 'Ooh you mustn't mention them dear' way about them ... will neo-fascist loonies go away if we ignore them? I think you'll find that all those deluded people you list above have certain familiar things in common: a complete lack of humility and a distinct inability to say, "oops - I got it wrong!" Sound familiar...? And by the way - what the hell does such things have to do with megalithic ingredients? Nowt! If you wanna peddle your political thoughts, find a representative forum elsewhere. I'm sure you'll find a few nutty Nazis, Jewish fascists, or Catholic perverts you can argue the toss with. One thing for sure - they won't say "oops - I gorrit wrong". |
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JohnDee007 23 posts |
Apr 29, 2007, 22:15
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andygreyweather wrote: Should Islam confront a bunch of nuts who want to chop kids heads off on video in the name of Islam? Should Judaism confront those Jews who attended the Iranian Holocaust denial conference in Terhan to lend a perverse regime its support? Should Odinists confront the mag lite wielding romper stompers who toss off over the rantings of Himmler? Should all Americans be held responsible for the actions of a President? It's sad that some express overt sympathy for bad and misguided people ... though they'd probably say it was OK for black magic rituals involving animal and human sacrifice, rape and torture to go on. Some of the people on here have a very Edwardian 'Ooh you mustn't mention them dear' way about them ... will neo-fascist loonies go away if we ignore them? But, you did ignore them Andy, you were to scared even to get out your camera and supply a few pics of these evil doers. I for one don't fall for this whole holocaust bullshit put out by the zionist extremists that pull the strings of the neocon establishment who control this world of ours. You should have made that documentary we spoke of ! |
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