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andygreyweather 94 posts |
Apr 24, 2007, 11:03
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Actually ... and the recent neo-fascist interest in Stone Circles etc. is well documented ... there were a group of neo-Nazis in Avebury last Saturday ... and as such ... why do I dislike them? Well I could work backwards with this one ... maybe starting with the pagan chap who told me that 'The wrong side won WW2' (Jonathan Adams was his name) ... of course these folk always mention 'the Jews' about 3 words into the crap they pump out ... I suppose we could dwell on the way they dress and bang drums and wave flags too ... I was also contacted by someone who was shocked to be confronted by people who said they were 'British & White' spreading a message in Avebury. I may have misunderstood an earlier message on here ... or maybe I should be on the Lizard Creatures forum ... In essence, if it does anything, this whole message list highlights the fact that there are people who want to use our heritage in a way that promotes their own interest in some cult of exclusivity. If that 'cult' also preaches the destruction of others then it should be confronted head on. In a f***ed up World, many people crave being 'special' and so latch on to something to fill that void. Then there are those who latch on to an idea that it is someone else's fault they are not special ... and so they start to mention other races and other belief systems. Avebury was constructed by people for people; it has a universal appeal and peoples of many beliefs embrace it. It is not a forum of hate. Maybe there were other flag wavers in Avebury on Saturday who were not Nazi/fascist ... but in reality there were people here pedaling their corrupt belief system. A family friend who passed away a few years ago had been forced to scrub the streets of Vienna and had been sterilized in the death camps of Nazi Germany ... he was a kind and gentle man of huge wit and good humor ... My childhood neighbor's Uncle drove a bulldozer in post war Europe and had to clear the corpses of countless death camp dead into pits ... I'm sure most people have a myriad of family stories like this ... I don't want my kids to one day have a story to tell about the first time Nazi's came to Avebury .... Besides, the misguided few who ferment such trouble should be aware that when Fascist/Nazi/Stalinist control happens ... they are usually the first ones into the furnace. Keep your dogma on a lead!
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Apr 24, 2007, 11:31
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Well said Andy.
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JohnDee007 23 posts |
Apr 24, 2007, 12:39
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nigelswift wrote: Obviously the nazis are already running the country then. Well, maybe. NT Byelaws are an easy target, especially if applied in a jobsworth fashion. On the other hand, it would have been no trouble to ask for and get permission (maybe they did). And the big thing is, if they HAD been Nazis they wouldn't have got it. I'm still wondering why they held their ceremony there, which has zero odinist connections, and not at the very nearby locations that have associations with Woden. People who dress up and worship mythical Norse gods are running enough risk of being thought daft without choosing the wrong place and the wrong day. What prompted AndyGreyweather to suggest they were Nazis in the first place, do we have pictures?
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Wiggy 1696 posts |
Apr 24, 2007, 12:50
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Well said indeed, now someone lock this before the Masons and Lizards arrive in their black helicoptors! =;0)
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JohnDee007 23 posts |
Apr 24, 2007, 13:08
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andygreyweather wrote: Actually ... and the recent neo-fascist interest in Stone Circles etc. is well documented ... there were a group of neo-Nazis in Avebury last Saturday ... and as such ... why do I dislike them? Well I could work backwards with this one ... maybe starting with the pagan chap who told me that 'The wrong side won WW2' (Jonathan Adams was his name) ... of course these folk always mention 'the Jews' about 3 words into the crap they pump out ... I suppose we could dwell on the way they dress and bang drums and wave flags too ... I was also contacted by someone who was shocked to be confronted by people who said they were 'British & White' spreading a message in Avebury. I may have misunderstood an earlier message on here ... or maybe I should be on the Lizard Creatures forum ... In essence, if it does anything, this whole message list highlights the fact that there are people who want to use our heritage in a way that promotes their own interest in some cult of exclusivity. If that 'cult' also preaches the destruction of others then it should be confronted head on. In a f***ed up World, many people crave being 'special' and so latch on to something to fill that void. Then there are those who latch on to an idea that it is someone else's fault they are not special ... and so they start to mention other races and other belief systems. Avebury was constructed by people for people; it has a universal appeal and peoples of many beliefs embrace it. It is not a forum of hate. Maybe there were other flag wavers in Avebury on Saturday who were not Nazi/fascist ... but in reality there were people here pedaling their corrupt belief system. A family friend who passed away a few years ago had been forced to scrub the streets of Vienna and had been sterilized in the death camps of Nazi Germany ... he was a kind and gentle man of huge wit and good humor ... My childhood neighbor's Uncle drove a bulldozer in post war Europe and had to clear the corpses of countless death camp dead into pits ... I'm sure most people have a myriad of family stories like this ... I don't want my kids to one day have a story to tell about the first time Nazi's came to Avebury .... Besides, the misguided few who ferment such trouble should be aware that when Fascist/Nazi/Stalinist control happens ... they are usually the first ones into the furnace. Keep your dogma on a lead! What can we do Andy?
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Littlestone 5386 posts |
Apr 24, 2007, 17:59
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every one is free to use the site for religious needs. You dont permission to stand there a pray do you. Last year (or was it the year before?) there was some such Christian 'need' to pray in the Avebury Circle - it struck me as more a political statement than a religious one however. Same thing happened at Callanish last year - Christians felt the 'need' to make their presence known during a non-Christian event at a place meaningful to non-Christians. Of course, you could argue that Druids and pagans have no more right pray at Avebury than anyone else - you might be right; difference is that Druids and pagans don't have many places to call their own and Avebury sort of fits the bill. Seems to me that while Druids may not have had anything to do with the construction of Avebury, latter-day Druids and pagans are probably more 'connected' to the place than any other religious/spiritual group. Christians, neo-Nazis, and those who follow the Germanic mythological tradition, certainly have no historical connection to the Avebury Circle but they do have their own churches, parade grounds and places with names derived from the Germanic pantheon - I suggest they go there to worship and leave Avebury well alone.
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andygreyweather 94 posts |
Apr 25, 2007, 08:43
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Very well said! I remember seeing something scrawled on the Northwick Park roundabout in Harrow in the late 70's (it was there for years) and it read 'Religion is the opiate of the masses, Nicholas Parsons is the opiate of the people'. 'Live from Norwich, it's the quiz of the week' became a playground mantra ... All religion and all politics are simply catch phrase comedy.
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andygreyweather 94 posts |
Apr 25, 2007, 08:54
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Wouldn't it be great if every St Georges day weekend ... as many people as can find time visited the Avebury henge and formed a huge circle around the Nazi's ... then everyone should simply laugh and point at them ... then the mantra should grow ever louder "Out, out, out ...". Oh yeah, have you noticed that these British fascists often carry flags with ... Lizard creatures on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dee 1955 posts |
Apr 26, 2007, 22:25
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Cor blimey...mad thread!!
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andygreyweather 94 posts |
Apr 27, 2007, 12:11
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If you think the thread's mad you should see what the fabric looks like!
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