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thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Teardrop Explodes on Toppermost
Aug 31, 2015, 07:37
Nice Teardrops overview on Toppermost:

http://www.toppermost.co.uk/teardrop-explodes/
jb lamptoast-morsley
jb lamptoast-morsley
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Re: Teardrop Explodes on Toppermost
Aug 31, 2015, 12:54
Ta. I see there's one on his solo stuff too:

http://www.toppermost.co.uk/julian-cope/
Hunter T Wolfe
Hunter T Wolfe
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Re: Teardrop Explodes on Toppermost
Aug 31, 2015, 22:13
Really good, fast-paced and evocative writing, and the first article mirrors quite closely the narrative of my own belated discovery of Cope and the Teardrops leading quickly to obsession.

A question though for those who were on board earlier. The received wisdom- repeated in the blog entry for Cope solo- is that the Teardrop Explodes were resolutely a teeny-pop act in the Duran Duran / Whsm mould and that this was still Cope's audience when Fried was released, but the turtle cover was so shocking and scandalous to this market that it completely ruined his pop career.

Really? Was that how it was? I know the Teardrops were in Smash Hits, but they seem to me like they were always mainly a credible post-punk act who happened to have a couple of hits- closer to the Bunnymen or the Smiths than Duran, and with an older discerning fanbase.

This being the case, and given it was his 2nd solo album after the already far murkier and more psychedelic Wilder and World Shut Your Mouth already, how shocking was the Fried cover on release? Was it really seen as career suicide? It always seems to me a classic memorable LP sleeve- quirky and original and suiting the fragile music within, but not shocking or abject or this guy's completely lost it. But is that really how it was seen at the time?

Sorry, off topic a bit but it got me wondering.
Toni Torino
2299 posts

Re: Teardrop Explodes on Toppermost
Aug 31, 2015, 23:10
At their flirtation with fame they were more aligned with groups like The Associates but the songs - When I Dream, Reward, Treason - we're great pop songs and Julian was very easy on the eye but as a 15 year old boy you could say you were a Teardrops fan and not get beaten up for it.
To my recollection, the teeny-bop audience had pretty much stopped noticing Julian after Passionate Friend and definitely by the time Colours Fly Away was released. Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet & Adam and the Ants were far more obviously rapacious in chasing that market. And wore far more makeup. By 1984 Julian was largely forgotten. I wasn't at all shocked by the cover of Fried, I thought it was simply quite playful. I was more shocked by the eschewing of synths and new technology in general, especially on WSYM, I hadn't been exposed to such a change in direction by an artist before.
IanB
IanB
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Edited Sep 01, 2015, 23:05
Re: Teardrop Explodes on Toppermost
Sep 01, 2015, 15:26
Hunter T Wolfe wrote:
Really good, fast-paced and evocative writing, and the first article mirrors quite closely the narrative of my own belated discovery of Cope and the Teardrops leading quickly to obsession.

A question though for those who were on board earlier. The received wisdom- repeated in the blog entry for Cope solo- is that the Teardrop Explodes were resolutely a teeny-pop act in the Duran Duran / Whsm mould and that this was still Cope's audience when Fried was released, but the turtle cover was so shocking and scandalous to this market that it completely ruined his pop career.

Really? Was that how it was? I know the Teardrops were in Smash Hits, but they seem to me like they were always mainly a credible post-punk act who happened to have a couple of hits- closer to the Bunnymen or the Smiths than Duran, and with an older discerning fanbase.

This being the case, and given it was his 2nd solo album after the already far murkier and more psychedelic Wilder and World Shut Your Mouth already, how shocking was the Fried cover on release? Was it really seen as career suicide? It always seems to me a classic memorable LP sleeve- quirky and original and suiting the fragile music within, but not shocking or abject or this guy's completely lost it. But is that really how it was seen at the time?

Sorry, off topic a bit but it got me wondering.


As I remember it the Bunnymen were the serious all-male-all-the-time cheek-suckingly serious rock band trying for album oriented NME / Sounds credibility a la Joy Division. Teardrops meanwhile were in a slightly different tradition whose prime directive was to have extravagant, quality pop hits. That, in a way, made TTE a more modern band than the Bunnymen at that time. Modern in that they could easily be accommodated beside Altered Images, ABC, Linx etc and would be viewed postively by those with the kind of willful obtuseness of taste that made Dollar credible for a short while. The Associates were not that kind of band when they were on Polydor and during the Fourth Drawer Down period but certainly were during Sulk and Perhaps.

I think the people (including critics) who had got on board with Treason and Reward were already alienated well before Fried as Passionate Friend was the last gasp of TTE doing that kind of pure pop.

Fried didn't surprise me really as he was already established as something of a shop soiled pop star in the Syd / Roky tradition. It was also a convenient escape route from a string of stiffed singles. Also I don't think TTE were ever a good enough band in terms of the noise they made to make an album that would stand the test. High intentions and all that but it seemed like they had a really limited skill set. The writing was demanding something more complex than was within their collectively gift to actually deliver.
keith a
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Re: Teardrop Explodes on Toppermost
Sep 02, 2015, 22:22
Toni Torino wrote:
At their flirtation with fame they were more aligned with groups like The Associates but the songs - When I Dream, Reward, Treason - we're great pop songs and Julian was very easy on the eye but as a 15 year old boy you could say you were a Teardrops fan and not get beaten up for it.
To my recollection, the teeny-bop audience had pretty much stopped noticing Julian after Passionate Friend and definitely by the time Colours Fly Away was released. Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet & Adam and the Ants were far more obviously rapacious in chasing that market. And wore far more makeup. By 1984 Julian was largely forgotten. I wasn't at all shocked by the cover of Fried, I thought it was simply quite playful. I was more shocked by the eschewing of synths and new technology in general, especially on WSYM, I hadn't been exposed to such a change in direction by an artist before.


I'd say Toni pretty much nail it here. The only difference here for me is WSYM didn't shock me - though admittedly I knew a few of the songs already from the Peel session I had taped and played to death (even if they were more economic versions!)
Popel Vooje
5373 posts

Edited Sep 03, 2015, 19:25
Re: Teardrop Explodes on Toppermost
Sep 02, 2015, 22:50
IanB wrote:
Hunter T Wolfe wrote:
Really good, fast-paced and evocative writing, and the first article mirrors quite closely the narrative of my own belated discovery of Cope and the Teardrops leading quickly to obsession.

A question though for those who were on board earlier. The received wisdom- repeated in the blog entry for Cope solo- is that the Teardrop Explodes were resolutely a teeny-pop act in the Duran Duran / Whsm mould and that this was still Cope's audience when Fried was released, but the turtle cover was so shocking and scandalous to this market that it completely ruined his pop career.

Really? Was that how it was? I know the Teardrops were in Smash Hits, but they seem to me like they were always mainly a credible post-punk act who happened to have a couple of hits- closer to the Bunnymen or the Smiths than Duran, and with an older discerning fanbase.

This being the case, and given it was his 2nd solo album after the already far murkier and more psychedelic Wilder and World Shut Your Mouth already, how shocking was the Fried cover on release? Was it really seen as career suicide? It always seems to me a classic memorable LP sleeve- quirky and original and suiting the fragile music within, but not shocking or abject or this guy's completely lost it. But is that really how it was seen at the time?

Sorry, off topic a bit but it got me wondering.


As I remember it the Bunnymen were the serious all-male-all-the-time cheek-suckingly serious rock band trying for album oriented NME / Sounds credibility a la Joy Division. Teardrops meanwhile were in a slightly different tradition whose prime directive was to have extravagant, quality pop hits. That, in a way, made TTE a more modern band than the Bunnymen at that time. Modern in that they could easily be accommodated beside Altered Images, ABC, Linx etc and would be viewed postively by those with the kind of willful obtuseness of taste that made Dollar credible for a short while. The Associates were not that kind of band when they were on Polydor and during the Fourth Drawer Down period but certainly were during Sulk and Perhaps.

I think the people (including critics) who had got on board with Treason and Reward were already alienated well before Fried as Passionate Friend was the last gasp of TTE doing that kind of pure pop.

Fried didn't surprise me really as he was already established as something of a shop soiled pop star in the Syd / Roky tradition. It was also a convenient escape route from a string of stiffed singles. Also I don't think TTE were ever a good enough band in terms of the noise they made to make an album that would stand the test. High intentions and all that but it seemed like they had a really limited skill set. The writing was demanding something more complex than was within their collectively gift to actually deliver.


Agreed. From what I remember the mass alienation of early fans started a long time before "Fried". Hard to believe as it may seem now, neither "Wilder" nor "World Shut Your Mouth" sold especially well or received much critical acclaim at the time - there was a particularly scathing review of the latter by Barney Hoskyns in NME, who pretty much declared that JC was creatively bankrupt and that he'd been outgunned by Echo and the Bunnymen (really...!). I can remember reading similar reviews of "Wilder" that were already declaring that album an act of commercial suicide, and compared to "Kilimanjaro" it bombed commercially, so I don't think that many people were left to be shocked by the "Fried" sleeve Meanwhile the diehards that WERE still listening would have most likely have been open-minded enough to accept the non-commercial drift of JC's muse at that point.
Toni Torino
2299 posts

Re: Teardrop Explodes on Toppermost
Sep 03, 2015, 00:09
Yeah,we've talked about the Wilder reviews before haven't we,about Sounds in particular writing, to paraphrase, "from someone who I consider to be a considerable (he was a fucking shit writer in my mind's eye) talent, this is the biggest pile of dogshit I have heard in a long time". "Dogshit" was used. Then again, Mike Nicholls in the Record Mirror (or Melody Maker, I can't recall) said it was a leap forward in quality that Duran Duran and Adam and the Ants could only dream about. "Little" Nicky Horn on Capital Radio went apeshit over Seven Views Of Jerusalem, played it all the time. And Smash Hits called Sunshine Playroom a couple of years later the (paraphrasing again) "work of a genius and absolutey marvellous". So there were still pockets of support out there. I remember Julian turning up on Janice Long's show to promote 'Fried' and she sounded completely bewildered and concerned (?). I have no idea obviously in what state Julian was during interview . They played Sunspots and I remember being blown away by it. This is pretty much all from memory from over 30 years ago. Now, where did I leave my fucking keys...?
Popel Vooje
5373 posts

Edited Sep 03, 2015, 14:47
Re: Teardrop Explodes on Toppermost
Sep 03, 2015, 08:15
Yes, it'a true he still had occasional pockets of support (like Dave Rimmer interviewing him just after "Sunshine Playroom" and claiming that the TX records were "bloody good" right up to the end), but they were in the minority. Apart from the David Jensen show I don't remember "Sunshine Playroom" getting much airplay at the time, but then I never listened to Capital Radio.
IanB
IanB
6761 posts

Edited Sep 03, 2015, 09:29
Re: Teardrop Explodes on Toppermost
Sep 03, 2015, 09:20
Popel Vooje wrote:
Yes, it'a true he still had occasional pockets of support (like Dave Rimmer interviewing him just after "Sunshine Playroom" and claiming that the TX records were "bloody good" right up to the end), but they were in the minority. Apart from the Janice Long show don't remember "Sunshine playroom" getting much airplay at the time, but then I never listened to Capital Radio.


You two have amazing memories for historical detail. I was a fan through Wilder and then lapsed until I started seeing a fair bit of Mick Houghton through my job circa 1986/7 around the time of "The Man" and he was really passionate in banging the drum for Cope as a misunderstood genius. That's what got me interested again otherwise it could have been another five years before I caught up with him as a solo artist. I can't listen to Peggy anymore because of the self-consciously baggy production. The earlier solo albums are much more of a satisfying listen .... with the benefit of considerable hindsight of course.
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