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tiompan wrote: Astralcat wrote: tiompan wrote: Astralcat wrote: tiompan wrote: Astralcat wrote: I didn't get very far with the first clip, to be honest, and the second was better but didn't really do anything for me. I liked The Yardbirds one best of all, but it was still so so. His thing seems to be an exercise in technique expertise overall - I didn't find it soulful. Maybe that's just me though.
Oddly enough the usual view of him is that he eschews technique and attempts to get closer to a voice ,and thus that wee bit more soulful than a machine producing the pitches .
The fusion that JP posted worked for me, definitely. Very soulful playing. Superb. I totally get Jeff Beck when he's working in that genre. I think it's just his blues material that doesn't do much for me.
His early influences are rock n roll and blues , his blues stuff usually had something extra , never quite straight which made it a bit more interesting even to the extent of bringing in a bit of humour , but he was never considered a blueser in the same school as the Mayall / other blues band players .
Goodbye pork hat whilst bluesy is actually a Charlie Mingus tune and was originally recorded with Jan Hammer so it belongs to his fusion period .
I quite like his fusion stuff but I'm not a fusion fan ,I like jazz but and only some rock but the two together rarely work for me ,apart from Miles . I don't hear the fusion stuff as being soulful at all ,whereas some of the attaempts at echoing voices and ballads can be .
Interesting. I love Mingus, Coltrane, Miles etc and as for late Coltrane, Ayler etc I find it very soulful. I hear something in, sort of like chaos theory creating something transcendent. I thought beck's fusion playing was very 'spiritual'.
Ayler , Coltrane ,Coleman etc can be soulful but they are a long way from fusion for me .
Some Joe Zawinul has often struck me , and surprisingly for a fusion /kybrd as "soulful" ,even a bit folky (maybe the European influence coming out ) and Wayne Shorter definitely so but most of it leaves me cold .
I find it difficult to separate Coltrane's technical achievements and his interests from the overall appreciation , a bit like Wagner or the Stanely Bros , your knowledge of their personalities and beliefs colours the experience .
Of course I wasn't saying they were fusion. I love quite a lot of free jazz and certain, not all, fusion. I think knowing Coltrane's spiritual philosophy could, but not necessarily influence one's listening experience. In my case it probably does in a positive sense. I haven't heard of Jow Zawinul. I'll check him out. Thanks for the heads up!
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