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The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat
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Edited Feb 14, 2011, 11:16
Re: Dubious selections for Unsung albums...
Feb 14, 2011, 11:16
Robot Emperor wrote:
Squid Tempest wrote:
Some good points there. I must admit I'm guilty of that "linking to a previous post" thing. I'm usually trying to be helpful, but I suppose it is a bit unfriendly now that I think about it. I do agree that we can't really judge what people are/aren't familiar with. One persons Unsung is another persons Sung!


There are exceptions of course. How the words "Problems with Remastered Jehovahkill" can fill me with existential despair.


HA! I know exactly what you mean.

Anyway mine's in fine fettle and sounds great.

:-)
Moon Cat
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Re: Dubious selections for Unsung albums...
Feb 14, 2011, 16:28
I think Unsung is (and should always be) an evolving thing and is prone to all the ambiguities and parameter shifts that entails. And context and relativity counts here too; you could argue that, say, Acid Mothers Temple, mostly unheard of in the mainstream, are hardly unsung/unmentioned/unheard of on HH. But a, say, Kylie album would be pretty much unsung on here and thus perhaps may ripe for bringing to attention to those on here that would never think of listening to it. Personally I regard Unsung as a repositry for reading about music regardless of its commercial impact (or lack of!) in the wider world. And it's about enthusiasm too. So what if an album has been released to wide acclaim and been heavily reviewed? If the person writing about it on here feels passionate about it and wants to share that with other HH folk, then should they not feel that they have the right to post without feeling they are somehow setting off someone else's 'uncool/uncult' detector or transgressing some completely arbitary and utterly unofficial editorial stance as defined in the mind of another, perhaps more regular, reviewer?

Plus, who says what should count and what shouldn't? Who 'polices' Unsung then? Who says what "fits the bill"?
Dog 3000
Dog 3000
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Re: Dubious selections for Unsung albums...
Feb 14, 2011, 16:43
IanB wrote:
I think it might take a new generation to reevaluate some of the critical opinions that we take for granted almost as received wisdom and that will totally change the concept and content of Unsung.


This has been going on for as long as I can remember.

1980's: you must be a retarded old hippie if you like Black Sabbath, KISS or Grand Funk Railroad. You probably still wear bellbottoms hahahaha! So uncool.

1990's: Sabbath, KISS and G'Funk are the original masters who taught us how to riff. Grow your hair out, you PVC new wave dork!

etc.
Popel Vooje
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Re: Dubious selections for Unsung albums...
Feb 14, 2011, 17:29
I agree. I remember being ridiculed in the mid-80s for liking early Hawkwind but towards the end, lo and behold, the likes of Loop and Spacemen 3 came along and made them soicially acceptable again (albeit probably not by design).
Moon Cat
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Re: Dubious selections for Unsung albums...
Feb 14, 2011, 17:43
Popel Vooje wrote:
I agree. I remember being ridiculed in the mid-80s for liking early Hawkwind but towards the end, lo and behold, the likes of Loop and Spacemen 3 came along and made them soicially acceptable again (albeit probably not by design).


And there was that thing where some of the acid-house/festival scene suddenly made Hawkwind and related stuff like Ozric Tentacles acceptable beyond the normal confines of the press and so on. I'm sure Ozrics actually made the cover of the NME or Melody Maker at one point!
IanB
IanB
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Re: Dubious selections for Unsung albums...
Feb 14, 2011, 19:05
Dog 3000 wrote:
IanB wrote:
I think it might take a new generation to reevaluate some of the critical opinions that we take for granted almost as received wisdom and that will totally change the concept and content of Unsung.


This has been going on for as long as I can remember.

1980's: you must be a retarded old hippie if you like Black Sabbath, KISS or Grand Funk Railroad. You probably still wear bellbottoms hahahaha! So uncool.

1990's: Sabbath, KISS and G'Funk are the original masters who taught us how to riff. Grow your hair out, you PVC new wave dork!

etc.



Absolutely. Which is why people should review whatever is relevant to them.

My only concern would be if people started coming her and reviewing reissues or new stuff that they are activly promoting.
Monolith Cocktail
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Re: Dubious selections for Unsung albums...
Feb 14, 2011, 20:38
flashbackcaruso wrote:
Jasonaparkes wrote:
I've been browsing Unsung as I feel compelled to do a few Unsung reviews some time soon and am slightly baffled at the selections appearing...how the fuck is 'Forever Changes' by Love Unsung? The first Grinderman LP (does Cave ever get bad reviews?). The first Roxy Music LP. 'Merriweather...' by Animal Collective was raved over in 2009 and topped most polls...not Unsung then. 'A Love Supreme' - the kind of an LP a yuppie character in 'This Life' raved over in the 90's Unsung? 'Y' by The Pop Group...Unsung. Really?

I think some deletions of these titles should occur; though am amused that an OMD review stayed when my OMD review of Dazzle Ships got deleted several years ago. & the grief I got for a Pet Shop Boys review...when there's one there now. Odd.

I love Unsung reviews, but some of the selections don't fit the bill...


I totally agree that there are many reviews on Unsung which tell us what we already know, although I addressed this issue at the start of my review of The Beach Boys' 'Sunflower', which I admit has pretty much already been given its due in recent years. But sometimes enthusiasm overtakes you and you just have to write your thoughts down and get them out there. Maybe there needs to be a 'Sung' page as well, although such a thing doesn't really fit Julian's philosophy.

As the writer of the recent OMD and PSB reviews, I was shocked to learn that your own efforts had been deleted. I thought that this section was supposed to be totally free of editorial control, and as both these acts receive a 50/50 mix of respect and disdain with in the more rockist circles (I remember the postbag John Peel got when he had the PSBs in for a session), I felt it totally valid to make a case for such artists being a lot more interesting than may be apparent on the surface.

Now that 'Dazzle Ships' has quite rightly been re-evaluated there wouldn't be much point re-posting your review, but I'd be curious to know what your PSB choice was.

A couple more points: I used to enjoy reading U Are A Ghost's reviews when he wrote them in English. Why the recent switch to Spanish?

And I know I'm being a bit anal here, but doesn't it spoil the look of the page when you get a whole load of reviews without cover pictures? Isn't the cover all part of what we love about our favourite records?



Actually I found the selections usually quite good, and cover a wide range. Just like to say fair play on the Fiery Furnaces 'Widow City', criminally under-rated opus - I though the review was spot on.
mingtp
mingtp
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Re: Dubious selections for Unsung albums...
Feb 14, 2011, 20:49
Moon Cat wrote:
I think Unsung is (and should always be) an evolving thing and is prone to all the ambiguities and parameter shifts that entails. And context and relativity counts here too; you could argue that, say, Acid Mothers Temple, mostly unheard of in the mainstream, are hardly unsung/unmentioned/unheard of on HH. But a, say, Kylie album would be pretty much unsung on here and thus perhaps may ripe for bringing to attention to those on here that would never think of listening to it. Personally I regard Unsung as a repositry for reading about music regardless of its commercial impact (or lack of!) in the wider world. And it's about enthusiasm too. So what if an album has been released to wide acclaim and been heavily reviewed? If the person writing about it on here feels passionate about it and wants to share that with other HH folk, then should they not feel that they have the right to post without feeling they are somehow setting off someone else's 'uncool/uncult' detector or transgressing some completely arbitary and utterly unofficial editorial stance as defined in the mind of another, perhaps more regular, reviewer?

Plus, who says what should count and what shouldn't? Who 'polices' Unsung then? Who says what "fits the bill"?



I can always rely on you to speak my mind more eloquently than I can. Top postage.
Dog 3000
Dog 3000
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Re: Dubious selections for Unsung albums...
Feb 14, 2011, 21:19
Agreed!

I think the broader disconnect is "the artistry of music" vs. "fashion/culture trends of the day."

Which came first, the flares or the wah-wah pedal, you know?

Musicheads like us might say it's all about "the pedals", but to the general public it probably really is about width of pants collars, skirt lengths and hairdos.

Which is I think the major "problem" of our current musical age -- you can't tell me Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber or these other pop tarts have much "musical" going on. Gaga is just a frankenstein monster composed of leftover bits of Madonna, Bowie, Elton John, disco, etc. . . . if she didn't make compelling IMAGES, would anyone care? No they would not.

I just don't think music is "culturally important" these days, like it had been in the late 20th century. Nowadays the cultural mojo is on videoscreens and portable devices, not hifi's or radios -- hence "popular music" is reduced to the soundtrack of what happens on video screens (up to and including "rock band: the video game"), and not much more than that.

Serious musicheads are probably going to be a smaller and smaller % of the population going forward. The "mass audience" has tuned out, and is not going to return. Which is niether good nor bad -- people still write poetry and do oil paintings, and there will always be an audience that appreciates these forms, even if they don't have mass cultural impact like in past centuries.

What turns up in Unsung reviews might actually be a good barometer of what more-serious musicheads are thinking about over time, in support of or reaction to whatever larger cultural trends are going on. The types of records being reviewed has changed a lot since 2003 when I first discovered this site. In general, a lot more NEW stuff is being reviewed lately. I actually do take that as a sign of the "music scene" (as opposed to the "media scene" of Gaga, Bieber et al) has gotten "better" over the last decade (late 1990's to about 2008 seems to me like the worst period for music since recording technology was invented! Popular music today still sucks, but the underground is back.)

But even that is driven by computerscreen interactions -- how do so many people get to hear these "limited edition of 50 cassette" underground releases? Because they download them from blogs/slsk/rapidshare/etc., which is also where they find out that this music even exists in the first place.

Final thought -- clearly the most relevant music of the last half-century remains Kraftwerk's "Computer World" album -- it is all coming true today! It really is More Fun To Compute, and we are all victims of Computer Love nowadays. ;-)
Squid Tempest
Squid Tempest
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Re: Dubious selections for Unsung albums...
Feb 14, 2011, 22:16
Great post Dave.


Interesting thread this.
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