The Sea Cat
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Re: Phil Collins
Sep 09, 2010, 10:01
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ars moriendi wrote: This month he releases his 8th studio album 'going back', which covers a large bunch of motown classics. He has been quoted as saying that he wants to songs to sound exactly like the originals, which begs the question 'why bother?'
Crikey. Considering all be very afraid. Turn your radios off until your hear the all clear siren.
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Kid Calamity
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Re: Phil Collins
Sep 09, 2010, 10:02
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Yeah. Why do a lot of artistes who cover someone else's work just use the original arrangement? I don't get it.
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The Sea Cat
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Re: Phil Collins
Sep 09, 2010, 10:04
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Rod Stewart's American Fecking Songbook being a truly revolting case in point.
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The Sea Cat
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Re: Phil Collins
Sep 09, 2010, 10:10
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IanB wrote: The Sea Cat wrote: IanB wrote: Yes he has made a lot of terrible records but there were a lot of artists who made their name pre Punk who cashed in their chips in an undignified fashion in the 80s pandering to MTV in the worst way - Winwood, Palmer, Clapton for three. I would put Bowie in that category too. And Rod.
Absolutely Ian and that's exactly my original point. I'm not excusing the rubbish , just emphahsing his pre-naff status and talent. Credit where it's due and all that.
Yup. I would argue that those artists had little choice because the rock media (at least in the UK) abandoned expansive music when Punk came along. So all those older guys who had been playing long (too bloody long in some cases) or else trying to do the Little Feat thing suddenly either gave up (Man), relocated to Europe (Roger Chapman), went futher left field (Hammill) or went stark raving singles crazy.
Some of it was greed but some of it was that there was suddenly no platform for them in England to make that kind of music. Dire Straits and the Police et al had replaced the big 70s acts and Queen really went in a singles-led direction after News of the World or maybe Jazz. Genesis of course went the exact same way. And Yes. John Martyn had a crack at it and failed. Joe Cocker was luckier.
Unless you were true to Metal or already minted you were pretty much fucked when it came to making interesting rock music unless you were prepared to pretend to be allied to Punk in some way. This was before the days when people could make albums at home for buttons. Recording time was really expensive. This only occured to me when I read how much the two Joy Division albums cost to make.
Apart from a very commercialy successful brief re-emergence in the 80s re. solo/Traveling Wilbury's, I think George Harrison's not giving a toss and doing his garden was a smart move. Van was in the wilderness a lot up until the late 80s, although he produced some excellent work in that usually overlooked period. His last genuinely creative gasps were in that decade and ended with 'Enlightnement' (no irony intended) in 1990 IMO.
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Kid Calamity
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Re: Phil Collins
Sep 09, 2010, 10:13
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He did that in favour of the mooted The Faces reunion. What a twonk.
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The Sea Cat
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Re: Phil Collins
Sep 09, 2010, 10:16
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Peter Gabriel's 'Sledgehammer' sets my teeth on edge, unfortunately. Much as I admire the guy's obvious talent, and I like some of his early solo work and the Passion soundtrack, I find his po-faced seriousness and hanging around with Bono and Annie Lennox's bandwagon extremely tedious. I know he's done great things re. global music, but come on Pete. Lighten up a bit. Stick A Flower in your jeans now and again ( see what I did there eh? ;-).
Joking apart, I think The Lamb was his finest hour.
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The Sea Cat
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Re: Phil Collins
Sep 09, 2010, 10:18
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And The Faces with Chubby Slapped-Arse-Faced Foghorn Boy! Extra twonks.
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Kid Calamity
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Re: Phil Collins
Sep 09, 2010, 10:22
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It's spelled fæces, I think you'll find.
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The Sea Cat
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Re: Phil Collins
Sep 09, 2010, 10:44
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Couldn't agree more KC.
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IanB
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Edited Sep 09, 2010, 10:59
Re: Phil Collins
Sep 09, 2010, 10:59
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The Sea Cat wrote: Peter Gabriel's 'Sledgehammer' sets my teeth on edge, unfortunately. Much as I admire the guy's obvious talent, and I like some of his early solo work and the Passion soundtrack, I find his po-faced seriousness and hanging around with Bono and Annie Lennox's bandwagon extremely tedious. I know he's done great things re. global music, but come on Pete. Lighten up a bit. Stick A Flower in your jeans now and again ( see what I did there eh? ;-).
Joking apart, I think The Lamb was his finest hour.
I agree. I think he is one of those artists that has been very lucky with the critics. And Real World / WOMAD has a lot to do with that. Slagging off Gabriel was the equivalent of calling Mother Theresa a ****. Most of his solo stuff after PG 4 is so dull it makes Sting sound like Smokey Robinson. And the music he wrote for the performance art thing in the Millenium Dome was bilge of the highest order. When it comes to post Lamb the best things he did were the piano ballad version of "Here Comes The Flood" on Fripp's "Exposure" and "Don't Give Up".
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