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Carlos 3884 posts |
Jul 11, 2010, 00:55
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This came to mind: me and elegant chaos made a top of Cope best songs (voted by HH users) 3 or 4 years ago. I wonder if it's still here!? But I don't remember the topic title, and it's a bit late now to search... Maybe tomorrow, just for the fun of it. I remember (or at least I think I do) the most voted was Upwards at 45 Degrees...
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supercat 4257 posts |
Jul 11, 2010, 08:30
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http://www.headheritage.co.uk/headtohead/unsung/topic/38465/threaded/472871
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Jul 11, 2010, 11:51
Jul 11, 2010, 10:32
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I bought the Treason single and the first album and I liked the whole Scot Walker in a flying jacket thing but nothing really connected with me beyond a single here and an album track there until Peggy Suicide came out. I hated the Madchester scene and all that Second Summer of Love stuff. And Grunge was even worse in many ways. Peggy seemed like an amazing, radical and timeless reinvention of mainstream guitar rock and what you could say in a rock song. Clever and poetic without being pompous or pretentious and straight forwardly rocking without doing the Geffen era Aerosmith thing of ladling the guitars on with a trowel.
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Carlos 3884 posts |
Jul 11, 2010, 11:43
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Thanks, supercat! But there was another one with the real thing: THE TOP!
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keith a 9573 posts |
Jul 11, 2010, 12:24
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IanB wrote: I hated the Madchester scene and all that Second Summer of Love stuff. And Grunge was even worse in many ways. Peggy seemed like an amazing, radical and timeless reinvention of mainstream guitar rock and what you could say in a rock song. But more than a little 'baggy' at times, Ian! ; )
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Jul 11, 2010, 12:45
Jul 11, 2010, 12:42
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keith a wrote: IanB wrote: I hated the Madchester scene and all that Second Summer of Love stuff. And Grunge was even worse in many ways. Peggy seemed like an amazing, radical and timeless reinvention of mainstream guitar rock and what you could say in a rock song. But more than a little 'baggy' at times, Ian! ; ) Totally (the "East Easy Rider" rhythm track for one) but great songs will ultimately surive any production treatment. It doesn't sound dated now like some of the hip n happening stuff in 91. You can trace a lot of those baggy groves back to New Orleans and The Meters etc and also to the likes of Little Feat. Cope sounds like he might be familiar with the originals rather than just taking it off the peg to get a good NME review. And it had a killer guitar attack. I really hated baggy and Acid House - hated the music. Really hated the look. There are a couple of tracks by the Roses and Mondays that were ok (usually because of someone else's production ideas) but the likes of The Milltown Bros, The Farm, Flowered Up, Inspiral Carpets etc were really not meant for me. Neither were the drugs de jour. Can you really see any of that lot coming up with "Hanging Out" , "Promised Land" or "You"? To be fair I was probably 5 years too old for all that. I can see how it might have seemed different if you were 17 - 25 in 1991 and had grown up with the worst of the early and mid 80s.
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keith a 9573 posts |
Jul 11, 2010, 13:06
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IanB wrote: Totally (the "East Easy Rider" rhythm track for one) but great songs will ultimately surive any production treatment. It doesn't sound dated now like some of the hip n happening stuff in 91. You can trace a lot of those baggy groves back to New Orleans and The Meters etc and also to the likes of Little Feat. Cope sounds like he might be familiar with the originals rather than just taking it off the peg to get a good NME review. And it had a killer guitar attack. I really hated baggy and Acid House - hated the music. Really hated the look. There are a couple of tracks by the Roses and Mondays that were ok (usually because of someone else's production ideas) but the likes of The Milltown Bros, The Farm, Flowered Up, Inspiral Carpets etc were really not meant for me. Neither were the drugs de jour. Can you really see any of that lot coming up with "Hanging Out" , "Promised Land" or "You"? To be fair I was probably 5 years too old for all that. I can see how it might have seemed different if you were 17 - 25 in 1991 and had grown up with the worst of the early and mid 80s. Yeah, EER is the obvious 'baggy' track I guess, and one which showed that although Julian was walking around demonstrations with a large paper machier head on, he was clearly listening to what was going on at the time. Maybe he had his Walkman on underneath it. Actually, he could probably have fitted a a hi-fi and speakers underneath that! And you're right - although on the one hand it sounds of its time, it doesn't actually sounded dated, which I guess is true of lots of great records like Green Onions which sprang to mind because they both sahre some rather nifty organ work. And you wouldn't have got The Farm putting a track like Butterfly E on the Altogether Now single! I liked some of those scenes - notably Voodoo Ray and the Happy Mondays, though its the latters pre-baggy, more early 80's sounding (Nightingales, Fall, etc) Cale produced debut that I go back to most - especially the bass driven Russell. Actually, come to think of it, one of the things I liked most about the Mondays was the other Ryder's basslines.
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Jasonaparkes 876 posts |
Jul 11, 2010, 14:22
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I was aware of 'Reward' and 'Passionate Friend', but got into Julian after he came back with 'World Shut Your Mouth.' The 12" of that and 'Trampolene' and 'St Julian' were the conduit. An old friend got into him and picked up 'Fried' and 'World Shut Your Mouth' - I found a tape of the former in the local Esso (???) and loved it, especially 'Reynard the Fox' and 'Sunspots.' The next year I picked up 'Kilimjaro' and 'Wilder', then 'Everybody Wants to Shag...' and 'Peggy Suicide' came out close together and I picked up an LP of 'Droolian' and a CD of 'Skellington' and there you go...
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Toni Torino 2299 posts |
Jul 12, 2010, 09:02
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Hearing 'When I Dream' on the wireless sometime in 1980. I also remember seing their name in a music paper and being kinda taken with that...
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ars moriendi 433 posts |
Jul 12, 2010, 09:17
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I discovered JC on Radio 1, I was 10 years old and it was the Reward single... I've been keeping a fairly close eye on his output ever since. I can't say I'm as keen on his more recent material, but I often play Kilimanjaro, Fried, Ye Skellington Chronicles, FG 1 & 2, PS, Jehovahkill and Autogeddon.
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