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Oct 08, 2009, 17:54
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Squid Tempest wrote:
Is it not safe to say that the majority of Christians are anti-homosexuality? Even the ones who aren't actively homophobic (IYSWIM)? And anti-abortion? Given the number of Catholics, I assume that the anti-abortion portion is in the majority.
Well.. no it's not. Not all Catholics are anti-abortion, the anti-abortion/not bothered ratio is directly related to which country the Catholics are in. This is also the case for homophobia. The general views of a society or culture always hold sway, strongly influence, any views of a religion inside that society. Also, come on people, it's the views of the overwhelming number of the society and culture that actually fucking matter. To overfocus on the batshit insaneness of a small theological minority like some of you here are is counter productive.
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Squid Tempest wrote: Is it not safe to say that the majority of Christians are anti-homosexuality? Even the ones who aren't actively homophobic (IYSWIM)? And anti-abortion? Given the number of Catholics, I assume that the anti-abortion portion is in the majority.
Well how do you know? Do you really know any Christians who are?
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It's more complex than you make it out to be. I'd guess that a very large proportion of Xtians are no longer of the mind that gays need 'saving', at least in this hemisphere.
Beyond that, you will find much disapproval, of course, but not a burning hatred.
And in the corner, you'll find the Fred Phelps types, and what are ya gonna do but deal with those whacked out freaks as they pop up, as they are wont to do.
So it's not that most Xtians hate gays, it's that many are uncomfortable with the idea and a few of them are really bent out of shape about it.
Like I've said, I don't think religion has much to do with anything when it comes to persecution and mob violence and all that stuff. It's tribalism. How people relate to their God is the least fractious element in relations between cultures. People are still carrying around multimillion-year-old animal group programming... be wary of outsiders, be suspicious of strangers, drive off intruders, protect your own, etc. is the core reason why there's so much trouble in the world. It's about power on earth, like Stray says.
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Oct 08, 2009, 18:09
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If you say so . . . .
And that attitude was started by your arrogant response thus :-
"You know....If you put this post to the sort of 'MUSIC' that is being described in this post, And really sang it LOUD with enough 'Conviction' to launch gobs of spittle from the black hole in your face......You'd be 'ON' to something. Or maybe NOT.
Please though.....don't let me keep you from treasuring and holding close to your heart, HATRED and all it's sundry bed-fellows.
I'm sure your quite a DUDE. "
Just because i feel strongly about issues that have affected my family that i refuse to go into depth with such a keyboard hero as your good self im just expressing my bile towards Christians and their repulsive brainwashing tactics doesnt warrant you to launch into comparing me with some teenage emo hate rocker
You should get down of that horse its far too high for you and frankly my dear you look ridiculous up there
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Oct 08, 2009, 18:18
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'The only good Christian is a dead Christian', is an inflammatory statement deserving of criticism for too many reasons. You set the tone.
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Oct 08, 2009, 18:20
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Coming from a forum hosted by a great man who did an LP called "Jehovahkill"
I can almost taste the irony , like licking a battery
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Oct 08, 2009, 18:22
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Well yeah. Talking of opportunistic arseholes deliberately being edgy for attention (which is the point of this thread I think) JC is definitely up there :D
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Oct 08, 2009, 18:23
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handofdave wrote: 'The only good Christian is a dead Christian', is an inflammatory statement deserving of criticism for too many reasons. You set the tone.
which in turn relates to a song by jim Foetus Thirwell
"The Only Good Christian ia Dead One"
Well I paid the price for luxury
Heaven looks like Hell to me
And I think I'm going down down down down...
"What you say?"
Going down
"What you say?"
I said going down
A pint of Lazarus straight up
Spending life on barroom floors
"What you say?"
Bathroom floors
"What you say?"
I said set 'em up
Six Hail Margueritas, I'm paying for the price of sin
The time is right for satisfaction
Hanging at street lamps looking for action
Biding time to crawl in a hole
"Crawl in a hole? Bless my soul!"
Six Hail Margueritas, I'm paying for the price of sin
I became the devil's advocate
(the devil made me do it)
Six Hail Margueritas, I'm paying for the price of sin
I've got to commit a sacrifice before I blow in to paradise
Satan had a word in my ear today
"What'd he say? What'd he say? What'd he say? What'd he say?"
He said the only good Christian is dead
Dead Christian! Dead Christian!
And the only good Christian is a dead Christian
Dead Christians tell no tales
(The devil made him do it)
Founder member of Hell's Cannibals
(The devil made him do it)
I'm a Christian carnivore
(The devil made him do it)
Fly the flag at a half mast, Lord, we're marching straight to Hell
Six Hail Margueritas, we're headed straight to Hell
Fly the flag at a half mast, Lord, we're marching straight to Hell
Signed away my signature
Signed away my reputation
Signed away my reputation
Signed away my we're marching straight to hell... Christian!
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Oct 08, 2009, 18:24
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jim Foetus Thurwell.....
?? Your Mom?
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Oct 08, 2009, 18:26
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There were two government-instigated blood-baths in the Stalin era, one against the “kulaks” (rich peasants) in the countryside during the late 20s, and then the Great Purges of the mid to late 30’s, directed against perceived spies, etc. Priests certainly died during these campaigns, but although the early Soviet Union was “militantly atheist”, the main justification for its bloodshed was anti-capitalism, not anti-religion.
Western nations, on the other hand HAVE used religion to justify their crimes, such as the Crusades, and colonization. If one were to make a simple comparison between those killed by a Western nation (such as Spain)in the name of religion, and those killed by a socialist nation in the name of anti-religion, the Christian side would undoubtedly be more bloody.
I don’t know what the numbers would be if you were to make a flat-out comparison between those killed (for whatever reason) by the West and those killed (for whatever reason) by Socialist nations, but if you factor in colonization, I would assume the numbers likely wouldn’t be much different.
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