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Howburn Digger
Howburn Digger
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Edited Jun 14, 2017, 16:49
Re: Fire
Jun 14, 2017, 13:17
nigelswift wrote:
Just turned the TV on. Puts our nattering on here in perspective.


Puts shits and scum like Hunt into perspective.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pick/revealed-privatisation-cuts-planned-uk-fire-brigade/05/06/

Just over a week ago.

But this is the really horrible one.

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/2013/08/04/the-disempowered-of-grenfell-tower/

The "smoke" which tenants saw coming from electrical sockets and wall fittings was dismissed as "steam" and condemned fire extinguishers were years out of date. Almost cannot bear to read this for a third time, it gives a kinda picture of what indifference the tenants were up against.
Howburn Digger
Howburn Digger
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Edited Jun 14, 2017, 13:36
Re: Heseltine cuts across the delusion?
Jun 14, 2017, 13:34
nigelswift wrote:
Well, Theresa says it is and that nice Mr Gove says it isn't.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/austerity-not-over-after-theresa-10613800
I guess a bit of it is over, but no more than their backers want.


EU "Austerity" requires cuts in Public Spending but must go along with massive increases in Public Debt through increased borrowing and servicing of debt-money which never existed before... have you seen what has happened to Britain's National Debt during "Austerity" for the last few years? Yes. Our National Debt has been carefully nearly quadrupled by a Banker's son who was in charge. You might wonder... how do you massage debt from 20% of GDP to nearly 90% of GDP in such a short time? Well it depends what private bank you borrow from and what interest they charge... Pay-Day loan rates anyone?
The interest-servicing on this "National Debt" means it can NEVER actually be paid off. Our GDP will soon be insufficient to cover interest payments alone. Did anyone sign up for that?

Making any sense yet?

Thatcher and Major were always into their own versions of mean-spirited public expenditure and cutting welfare payments. Theresa May and her horror boy-band of creeps will continue with similar mean-spirited stunts and Bullingdon pranks to the disabled and unemployable.
But the EU Austerity model really requires looking at to see what it actually means. Go back (quite) a few years and see how a very modest national debt in Greece was turned into a monster by the EU Banks. Then all of Greece's National Assetts were seized.
It's a ram raid. They had to fight shooty bang-bang wars to take this amount of stuff a hundred years back. It is done in Banks now.

Iceland refused to pay and jailed the bankers. They are fine now.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Heseltine cuts across the delusion?
Jun 14, 2017, 17:35
Not really convinced. I agree that there is such thing as an EU flavoured austerity, but I don't agree that it is the reason for austerity politics under Tory governments in the UK.

UK austerity is most definitely an ideologically driven project from the guys who brought us such classics as "There's no such thing as Society". The more recent crop have turned it into a get rich quick scheme for those with interests in Capital, SerCo, Group4 etc to syphon money raised in taxation into the hands of shareholders while claiming that service standards have to fall as the services are now unaffordable. I don't see the EU's paws on this at all, I see neo-liberal ideologues of the home grown variety (including people like the anti-EU Farage).

Of course the capitalist dream of free market economics is utterly rotten, as these privateer firms are completely reliant on money coming from the state to support their profitability. Make them truly reliant on the free market and it would be a very different story.
Sin Agog
Sin Agog
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Re: Labour to win? Surely not...
Jun 15, 2017, 11:48
Am I right in thinking that Farron just resigned so he can spend more time with his homophobia?

A neighbour just posited the scary opinion that he left to pave the way for another Tory-Lib Dem coalition.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
5878 posts

Re: Labour to win? Surely not...
Jun 15, 2017, 13:10
Apparently being a Christian is incompatible with leading a liberal political party. Not sure what that says about either Christianity or liberal politics really.
drewbhoy
drewbhoy
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Edited Jun 15, 2017, 13:49
Re: Labour to win? Surely not...
Jun 15, 2017, 13:47
thesweetcheat wrote:
Apparently being a Christian is incompatible with leading a liberal political party. Not sure what that says about either Christianity or liberal politics really.


Nothing, exactly what he stood for.
nigelswift
7436 posts

Re: Labour to win? Surely not...
Jun 15, 2017, 13:49
Maybe his Christian conscience prevents him from opposing the DUP?!
nigelswift
7436 posts

Edited Jun 15, 2017, 16:01
No soft Brexit for cranks
Jun 15, 2017, 14:52
Robert Peston says they told him the DUP was 100% committed to the UK leaving the single market AND the customs union.
giNgko_C
giNgko_C
386 posts

Re: Heseltine cuts across the delusion?
Jun 17, 2017, 00:25
Who the fck wants to live in Iceland?
giNgko_C
giNgko_C
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Edited Jun 17, 2017, 00:29
Re: No soft Brexit for cranks
Jun 17, 2017, 00:28
Ever since the fire I always wished I had an Irish Girlfriend.

Ed Sheeran must be turning in his own peripheral vision!
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