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giNgko_C
giNgko_C
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Re: Labour to win? Surely not...
Jun 17, 2017, 00:33
ours is but to enhance the great Mormon database in the sky
nigelswift
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Poor Theresa
Jun 17, 2017, 06:23
One of my kids expressed fleeting sympathy for a woman who is now staring at ongoing humiliation with no scope for escape but fortunately Owen Jones has explained there's no need...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/14/theresa-may-must-go-election-campaign
Lump Of Green Slime
55 posts

Re: Poor Theresa
Jun 17, 2017, 08:47
Some of the words in the first verse of 'The Great Dominions' suddenly seem especially relevant to May.
nigelswift
7436 posts

Re: Heseltine cuts across the delusion?
Jun 18, 2017, 16:07
Howburn Digger wrote:

But the EU Austerity model really requires looking at


Fine, but....
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/18/brexiters-vote-poverty-even-worse-than-austerity?CMP=share_btn_tw
carol27
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Re: Dead woman walking, sustained by Christian homophobes ....
Jun 18, 2017, 16:56
nigelswift wrote:


Arts minister..seriously? Any minister? I know I shouldn't keep swearing; i know everybody's entitled to their own opinion, but what the fuck...? She must be on a suicide mission surely. Maybe she's actually thinking fuck why haven't they got rid of me yet, what does it take?
Sin Agog
Sin Agog
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Re: Labour to win? Surely not...
Jun 21, 2017, 16:46
Corbyn killing it at the beginning of parliament (skip to about 14.58): http://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/0784ef19-a1bb-49c0-9039-279b4b1fa664
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Labour to win? Surely not...
Jun 21, 2017, 22:22
And many of the Tories' least popular manifesto pledges dropped, including school breakfasts, death/dementia tax and (hurrah) fox hunting vote.

Even though Labour did not get into government (yet), this is undoubtedly a positive outcome.

Next up, the latest polling suggests a majority are in favour of a referendum on the terms of any negotiated Brexit deal, and are not in favour of leaving the single market. The implications are starting to become apparent to leavers, as are the negotiating abilities of Davies and Co. Even the DUP seem to be unimpressed. Perhaps the government's eagerness to interpret the "will of the people" as an exact match for the "will of the right of the Tory party" was misplaced.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Labour to win? Surely not...
Jun 21, 2017, 22:32
PS did you see Queenie's hat?
grufty jim
grufty jim
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Re: Labour to win? Surely not...
Jun 21, 2017, 22:59
thesweetcheat wrote:
And many of the Tories' least popular manifesto pledges dropped, including school breakfasts, death/dementia tax and (hurrah) fox hunting vote.

Even though Labour did not get into government (yet), this is undoubtedly a positive outcome.

Next up, the latest polling suggests a majority are in favour of a referendum on the terms of any negotiated Brexit deal, and are not in favour of leaving the single market. The implications are starting to become apparent to leavers, as are the negotiating abilities of Davies and Co. Even the DUP seem to be unimpressed. Perhaps the government's eagerness to interpret the "will of the people" as an exact match for the "will of the right of the Tory party" was misplaced.


Even the DUP seem to be unimpressed

If I was the UK; the current tory front-bench is one of the last places I'd look for people to oversee Brexit negotiations. Johnson, Fox, Davis and May have lost whatever credibility they might once have had. They are completely out of their depth in terms of the skillset required, and the election result has dramatically undermined their entire position.

Right now, I can't see any strategy for the UK -- aside from a complete U-Turn -- that will not end in serious economic problems (both for the UK and for my own country; Ireland). There is also the very real chance that a hard-border in Ireland would see a resurgence of violence.

If that happens...

... well, let's just hope it doesn't.

Having said all that; it's no shame to have the DUP unimpressed by your negotiating skills. I dislike the DUP more than you can possibly imagine, but only a fool would downplay or underestimate their negotiating ability. For the past 20 years, Northern Irish politics has basically been one continuous negotiating session between two hard-as-nails, resolutely uncompromising sides possessed of a deep mutual animosity. All happening under the looming shadow of a gunman, just looking for a reason to return.

The DUP would face down almost any European Political Party across the negotiating table. And they'll certainly eat the tories alive if May decides to go through with the deal.

They'd almost be a good choice for the UK's Brexit negotiators. Y'know, if they weren't such fucking lunatics...
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: Labour to win? Surely not...
Jun 21, 2017, 23:09
Couldn't agree more. May has had opportunities (before calling the wholly unnecessary election) to form a cross-party committee to deal with Brexit, rather than the intellectually stunted Davies and the tarnished Fox.

Personally I still think the enormity of the blunder is starting to come home. I also think the complete disregard for Ireland being shown by the government is one of the most unforgivable aspects, both in their willingness to jeopardise the GFA to get a deal with the DUP and also over their shrugging of the shoulders over the border question.
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