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Rhiannon
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Re: TTIP petition to sign
May 05, 2016, 08:35
That's very interesting. The latter mentions how the French and Germans are trying to distance themselves from it, and the growing hope that this is the beginning of the end for it.

But you see that would suggest to me that the French and Germans have got some sense. Whereas Mr Cameron actually loves all the deregulation for big business.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/25/ttip-vote-brexit-barack-obama-leave-eu-trade-deal

I assume (perhaps wrongly) that you're still coming at the Brexit option from a left-wing standpoint? But we'd still have Cameron in charge if we left (or some idiot like him) at least for a while. I don't feel safe that if we did leave the EU to get out of TTIP, the tories wouldn't somehow catch us up in the whole race to the bottom thing anyway. So I'm clinging to the idea that if we stuck to Europe, at least we'd have a chance of 'the wisdom of crowds' thing, and the added support of socialists in other countries.

Hmm. But I can see what you're saying, if the EU does vote for TTIP then I want no part of that. It'd be good to know what was going to happen about TTIP first before the referendum is held here. But I assume that's not going to happen.

It's tricky isn't it. But my gut still says we have more safeguards against shit happening (including being inflicted by our own government) if we're in the EU. I could not bring myself to vote 'out', because I'm sure we'd be more likely to have to retain environmental protections and workers' rights etc, if we stay in. Because I don't think being on our own will save us from our government's determination to undermine all these things anyway, and we won't have the weight of Europe to pull us into line. We could end up being worse off than someone that signed TTIP, potentially?

sorry for the stream of consciousness
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