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Markoid 1621 posts |
Edited Sep 23, 2014, 09:27
Sep 23, 2014, 09:17
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sanshee wrote: I'm sorry but I don't see how a Yes vote would have made anything any better. I really don't. If any movement arrives with the tagline 'a fair and equal society' you do tend to have a wee bit of cynicism about it but it seems any critical faculty farted away in the wind when it came to the Yes vote, and much of the rhetoric was based on exploiting the poorer in society without even telling them how the hell it would be delivered. There was some mass mesmerism going on, and to criticise it would you up with the kind of abuse that twat poison head or whatever he's called just vented. I did not vote to keep 'Westminster' in I voted for the unity of the people. How horribly ironic yet all too typical Sheridan wears a badge saying 'solidarity' when it is ever so 'conditional'. I totally admire true socialist ideals but these people are just divisive thugs. EDIT: Oh, and since much of the cause for Yes is about 'sovereignty' as if that alone were enough why do so many people come over to each of the 'non-sovereign' constituent parts of the UK from 'sovereign' countries in order to make better lives for themselves? I take it they must be either crazy or stupid in that case. I certainly think not. The Westminster coalition are far from genuine. I feel sorry for some the NO voters, because extra powers probably will not be delivered before the general election in May next year. Infact, The Labour Party are talking of a timeline of years to have extra powers in statute. The Tories? - Who knows? You may not want them, but that's not the point. They were promised. I'm getting a sense that NO voters were duped, not us YES lot. There will be a very large number of NO voters who, if extra powers are not given will be very angry. And btw, I'm a socialist, but have never ever been called a divisive thug, up until now. You should be ashamed for saying that.
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Edited Sep 24, 2014, 15:24
Sep 24, 2014, 15:09
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Excuse me but I did not call you a divisive thug for being a socialist if you look over my post properly I said it of Sheridan. And I won't be ashamed of that one at all. The whole yes campaign has been very good at wilfully ignoring the bits that don't quite got with the narrative of 'fair and equal/greener' etc. Sheridan (thug) was part of the anti-bedroom tax coalition which is very noble indeed yet when four out of the six SNP mps didn't even bother to turn up for the vote at Westminster he barely batted an eyelid. On something so important, a main thread in their campaign, just ignored it. And Patrick Harvie of the greens wasn't too concerned either when Salmond write a personal love letter to EDF boss regarding nuclear power stations being all fine and good with him. http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/salmond-tells-edf-independent-gov-nuclear-plants/4307 Oh and of course Trident may have been 'removed from the Clyde' but regardless there was a 'park them here anyway boys' policy that again the Yes support from the Greens just conveniently ignored. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/26/alex-salmond-snp-stance-nato-nuclear-weapons Barely a whimper of disappointment. Then most strikingly I think is Women for Independence who got all frothed up about a stupid Better Together ad with a dopey woman staring into her coffee, yet barely raised an eyebrow at this real, deep horrible abuse of a young mum out speaking up for the rights of disabled kids. Remember Claire Lally? Ripped to shreds by lies spread about her being connected to the old provost Pat Lally (which she wasn't) and all from one of Salmond's henchmen Campbell Gunn. http://www.scotsman.com/news/brian-wilson-campbell-gunn-part-of-snp-machine-1-3444216 Rooted here http://wingsoverscotland.com/voters-less-ordinary/ Now that website for some reason is regarded as informative and kicking against the mainstream but I tell you it makes The Torygraph and The Daily Heil come across as The Early Learning Centre Christmas catalogue. Nasty little creep calling himself a Rev. And you feel sorry for 'no' voters? As far as further devolution goes, which for everyone's sake will happen, that did not inform the 'no' vote in particular. I was voting no regardless, many were, and the early indicators of 'no' was due to the 700,000 postal votes that were cast way before the three amigos from Westminster rode into town. x EDIT: And one more thing, if there was indeed 'bullying' it came from the Yes side nowhere else, as that is the classic ploy of the bully, telling people you are 'scared' because you don't agree with them. Here's hoping for a bit of peace now.
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PMM 3155 posts |
Sep 27, 2014, 08:21
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Every single SNP MP just voted against airstrikes. Just sayin'...
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Edited Sep 27, 2014, 11:44
Sep 27, 2014, 11:41
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Yes, every single SNP MP voted against intervention, as did George Galloway, and others. But it seems he = bad SNP = Good. I am sure I agree with their stance and his, however I can't get my head round the SNP absence (4 out of 6 MPs) regards the bedroom tax vote. They said they 'tried their best' to get there, even showing boarding passes on 'twitter' or something to 'prove' they couldn't get there on time but I would have made sure I got my flight at least 'the day before' just to make sure. Or at least, 'quite early that day'. All they were busy with was campaigning to break the people of the UK up, based quite strongly on their objection to the eh, 'bedroom tax' issue. Go figure. This will come back to bite them, and they'll deserve it. x
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stray 2057 posts |
Sep 27, 2014, 11:44
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PMM wrote: Every single SNP MP just voted against airstrikes. Just sayin'... Look, look at us, we're different! Yeah, the SNP bring out the cynical in me, although it's rarely far from the surface.
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PMM 3155 posts |
Sep 28, 2014, 00:56
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In this case, in that respect, their voting record speaks for itself. They certainly are different. 100% of SNP MP's also voted agains the 2003 Iraq Conflict. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2862397.stm Damn them, with their cynical consistent voting against war thing. Some left wingers might have been fooled, but not us. We know that self determination is just a cipher for swivel eyed xenophobia. Yup. I'm taking the piss. I agree that the SNP are not a radical party, indeed it was telling as I watched the coverage that journalists were making the point that the yes campaign were doing all they could to reassure the markets. But it's easy to get hung up on the specific labels of SNP/Salmond. If an independent Scotland had come about, the SNP would have lost it's reason for being. The best way to have shafted the fuckers would have been to made Scotland independent. Boom. No reason to vote for them anymore. Salmond would become the head of some centre right Scottish tory equivalent. Where their support base would have gone to, I have no idea. I get the sense that only a very small minority would have gone to some Scottish equivalent of UKIP. The characterisation of the Yes campaign as a parochial, right wing movement rings absolutely no bells with me. It became apparent very early on that the opinion polls were largely correct. That in itself was an indicator that a vote for independence was a radical step. People generally support the staus quo, even if they feel disllusioned. To me, it's pretty remarkable that they "Yes" campaign got as close as it did. One talking head made the point that the "don't know's" had generally made their minds up, but were embarrassed or felt guilty about it. So when vox popped, they said "Not decided yet". They found the same thing happened in the last general election. A lot of the "Don't know" votes turned out to be Tory. Cognitive dissonance indeed... Personally, I'd have liked to have seen the vote go the other way. Not because I'm a huge fan of nationalism, but because I'd like to think people have the bollocks to put their X where their mouths are. It's only that way that we get out of the usual lesser of two evils ethos that means we only ever get the same old shit. It's difficult to say what a yes vote would have meant for either Scotland or the rest of the UK. It's all too depressingly familiar what a vote for the status quo means.
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Markoid 1621 posts |
Edited Sep 29, 2014, 08:18
Sep 29, 2014, 05:01
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Sanshee, you would be very annoyed if it went YES. I ain't too bothered right now, as we will have another time. Popular votes and trends dictates that it will happen. Frankie Boyle's thing is funny. Let's have a laugh, after all this! http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0276z6t/frankie-boyles-referendum-autopsy
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