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thesweetcheat 6216 posts |
Sep 19, 2014, 23:27
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thispoison wrote: Sanshee and flatboxertwin - you fools. 'Well meaning', no doubt, but still fools. Enjoy your frankly hideous and morally bankrupt Union. I wonder what will follow the food banks, bedroom tax, the disgraceful replacement of The Disability Living Allowance by the Personal Payment Plan (P.I.P.), ongoing privatisation of the NHS, and the continual hiving off of Public Services to turn a profit for the Govts powerful 'friends'. You must be feeling very proud. Not wishing to discount or dismiss your disappointment with the result, but all of these things you mention adversely affect people in England and Wales every bit as much as they do those in Scotland. There's plenty of folk here who are just as appalled by the way the government is operating, for all those reasons. Your obvious passion and desire for change is perhaps better turned on the govt maybe? To misquote Flash Gordon "Let's us team up and fight them".
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Robot Emperor 762 posts |
Sep 20, 2014, 01:33
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What a lovely man! I hope he posts again. I miss him already. I do hope he managed to wipe all the spittle off his computer screen without leaving any smears.
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Markoid 1621 posts |
Sep 20, 2014, 01:58
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I fully respect your decision sanshee, but all you did was to protect the status quo, not in any way change things for the better.
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IanB 6761 posts |
Edited Sep 21, 2014, 14:15
Sep 20, 2014, 11:54
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Would I have loved to see Dave take a bloody nose from a punch that would have rung down through history for all eternity? Of course. However reading the entrails of the referendum it seems to me that the Yes side would have taken a single percentage victory as a mandate to completely trample on any opinions held by the 49.5% of No voters who weren't "wrong" they just held a contrary position. On the other hand I believe the No side will feel obliged to be more conciliatory (hooligan element aside) and thus the process of political and economic devolution will be accelerated without another excuse for a bitter societal split. From an Anglo-Welsh (with a chunk of German) perspective a No result looks less divisive and more of a win-win to me than either side would concede.
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
Sep 20, 2014, 18:29
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IanB wrote: Would I have loved to see Dave take a bloody nose from a punch that would have rung down through history for all eternity? Of course. That was pretty giving me a warm, fuzzy glow for YES as well. Actually, I think and hope he's still pretty much damaged goods from this even with NO. Certainly all his panicky promises have caused as much backbench kerfuffles as Europe already does with the Tory fuckholes.
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riverman 845 posts |
Sep 20, 2014, 19:14
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Billy Bragg on the nationalism issue: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/16/scottish-nationalism-british-westminster-class Was in Scotland last week - commiserations to the people I met on the train up, the train down after the vote, the Aberdeen taxi driver, and those in the pubs who were all voting/had voted yes. It was uplifting to here political discussions and a shared rejection of the Westminster/City of London establishment. Given pretty much the entire media was pro-Yes - 45% voting no is a resounding success and many of those had enlightened views and a hope for proper change and accountable democracy. May be that wouldn't have happened of course, may be Yes was the right decision for the immediate future, with a suitable groundswell of dissatisfaction to build on. I'm clearly not qualified to say. That said though it's interesting the people who were predicting financial armageddon for Scotland were the same people who singularly failed to spot financial meltdown in 2008. As an aside (related in terms of the media coverage of the referendum) I'd recommend Owen Jones' new book The Establishment - And how they get away with it.
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thispoison 253 posts |
Sep 21, 2014, 02:49
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Robot Emperor wrote: What a lovely man! I hope he posts again. I miss him already. I do hope he managed to wipe all the spittle off his computer screen without leaving any smears. Spittle? Fuck you sideways cretin. I wrote that post calmly and with consideration. I take nothing back. This could have been the beginning of the end of the Westminster elite. For the whole of the UK when all the other constituent parts woke up and saw the Scottish example and realised the possibilities for themselves. But fine, you guys can entrench the status quo with your expensively educated impotence. Were do you stand on the Ukraine? Or Palestine? Is it only Scotland who should be denied an independent state? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=haHuTxhXXbo Fucking hypocrite. Should we wait for the South to wake up? Or international Socialism to strike up worldwide? A lot of us up here are very very angry. And a lot of people here are newly informed and politicised. And we are not going away or keeping quiet. This is only the beginning... Uh! Look Out!
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Robot Emperor 762 posts |
Edited Sep 21, 2014, 12:35
Sep 21, 2014, 10:57
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thispoison wrote: Robot Emperor wrote: What a lovely man! I hope he posts again. I miss him already. I do hope he managed to wipe all the spittle off his computer screen without leaving any smears. Spittle? Fuck you sideways cretin. I wrote that post calmly and with consideration. I take nothing back. This could have been the beginning of the end of the Westminster elite. For the whole of the UK when all the other constituent parts woke up and saw the Scottish example and realised the possibilities for themselves. But fine, you guys can entrench the status quo with your expensively educated impotence. Were do you stand on the Ukraine? Or Palestine? Is it only Scotland who should be denied an independent state? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=haHuTxhXXbo Fucking hypocrite. Should we wait for the South to wake up? Or international Socialism to strike up worldwide? A lot of us up here are very very angry. And a lot of people here are newly informed and politicised. And we are not going away or keeping quiet. This is only the beginning... Uh! Look Out! How precisely am I a hypocrite? And how many expensively educated slaughterhouse workers do you know? I can assure you that I am one of the state educated ones. Admittedly I'm the only one at our delightful abattoir. I was only commenting on this to Viscount Linley the other day as we had a crafty fag whilst covered in blood and shit and hard to identify viscera. Have you made an unsubstantiated assumption? One of us guilty of using lazy stereotypes which is usually a sign of lazy thinking. The only answer to your question about why Scotland should be denied an independent state is that it was narrowly voted against. Although this must be upsetting for you I recognise a tantrum when I see one. I'm delighted this has woken you up politically though. A little less certainty that one is right is probably advisable. Historically gets a bit messy when righteous certainty kicks in. Good luck for the future in your mission to win hearts and minds. With your natural charm this will be a walk in the park.. Please don't start killing people. Thanks for the offer of sexual congress.
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
Sep 21, 2014, 13:11
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I suppose the obvious difference is Scotland had an opportunity while the rest of us didn't. I was hoping for a yes vote, even though in Wales, as it could have seen the beginning of a more equally represented union here instead, like Markoid says, it's just maintaining the status quo. If any of these powers that westminster have promised ever come into being I'll be amazed. They're already behind their own schedule, blaming each other and arguing, which just goes to show that there was no plan, just a vague idea of (so far) empty promises. At least Salmond had a bit more than that!
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Edited Sep 22, 2014, 17:23
Sep 22, 2014, 16:58
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I'm sorry but I don't see how a Yes vote would have made anything any better. I really don't. If any movement arrives with the tagline 'a fair and equal society' you do tend to have a wee bit of cynicism about it but it seems any critical faculty farted away in the wind when it came to the Yes vote, and much of the rhetoric was based on exploiting the poorer in society without even telling them how the hell it would be delivered. There was some mass mesmerism going on, and to criticise it would you up with the kind of abuse that twat poison head or whatever he's called just vented. I did not vote to keep 'Westminster' in I voted for the unity of the people. How horribly ironic yet all too typical Sheridan wears a badge saying 'solidarity' when it is ever so 'conditional'. I totally admire true socialist ideals but these people are just divisive thugs. EDIT: Oh, and since much of the cause for Yes is about 'sovereignty' as if that alone were enough why do so many people come over to each of the 'non-sovereign' constituent parts of the UK from 'sovereign' countries in order to make better lives for themselves? I take it they must be either crazy or stupid in that case. I certainly think not.
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