Sin Agog
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Re: George Galloway
Aug 07, 2014, 17:21
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I'd imagine his stance on Scottish independence may have something to do with the fact he's an MP of an English town.
[I know this was s'posed to be about Eno, but-] He's also gone and declared Bradford an Israel-free zone (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-galloway-declares-bradford-an-israelfree-zone-9653894.html). I think S.A. apartheid-style boycotting is utterly essential. It'll be a tangible statement to the effect of, "We, The West, have finally come around, after 30 years of misinformation and wrongheadedness. Now we know the truth, disentangled of internal Israeli propaganda, we're never going back." Boycotting goods at least is essential; not so sure about boycotting actual people. I get the motivation behind it- the emissaries of the Israeli government spread confusion wherever they go- but there seem to be quite a few Israelis who live in Israel but are very much against the direction their government has taken over the last few decades (i.e. the guys who funded Five Broken Cameras). The same way that there are English who loathe the Tories (OK, it's not quite the same...) It used to be that left-wingers, and new agers, would go to Israel on a kibbutz, and feel like they're getting in touch with some kind of earthy, spiritual self. Then again, I suppose, if you're truly aware of the kidnapping, the torture, the indiscriminate haranguing, seizure and murder, your country is enacting, and has been for some time, you'd probably just leave. Perhaps. Anyway, I'm all for some kind of boycotting in any case, and hope the momentum for it grows.
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IanB
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Edited Aug 08, 2014, 13:32
Re: George Galloway
Aug 07, 2014, 19:07
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Overall I like Gorgeous George but his team appeared to be running a seriously unsavory campaign to unseat Oona King in Bow back in 2005. How much of what happened was spontaneous and how much directed by the Respect team was a matter for debate and it's not as if the Labour party always have clean hands (and there were plenty of accusations of dodgy dealing flying both ways) but there was an aspect to the campaign against her that was reminiscent of the one against Peter Tatchell in Bermondsey in the early 80s. To say it got personal doesn't even begin to cover it.
As for Scotland, despite the fact that my heart would love to see a "yes" vote, his explanation as to what a vote for independence would do to the economies of both countries offers a pretty compelling argument for us to be praying for a "no".
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Captain Starlet
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Re: George Galloway
Aug 07, 2014, 20:32
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There's been a huge guilt complex regarding Israel due to the holocaust, and they've been given far too much leeway than's legally allowed. This has allowed them to use the attidude and actions as those used against them during the war when they should have been guided and helped to live together with the rest of the region, instead of invading it and seizing land. Yeah I'm all for boycotting Israel at the moment as they need to be taught how to play nicely
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sanshee
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Re: George Galloway
Aug 09, 2014, 19:39
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IanB wrote:
As for Scotland, despite the fact that my heart would love to see a "yes" vote, his explanation as to what a vote for independence would do to the economies of both countries offers a pretty compelling argument for us to be praying for a "no".
I won't pray for a 'no' - I'll be out there with bells on voting for it!
Saw GG during his Just Say Naw stuff at our town hall - his argument was compelling in terms of economics and at the same time resonated so much with so many of us as to why the 'heart' if it means anything would say 'no' also.
Nationalism is by nature the most divisive, insular, nasty minded, dangerous thing for humanity since our world's inception and is up there with religion when it comes to causing all the stuff that ruins us.
Ok ok 'we're not voting for that' Yes voters say but they are voting because 'someone else is to blame' and soon as problems crop up who's next?
That's what belief in your country does.
When it all goes wrong, how do you denounce your nationality?
You can't, and the scope for how grim it can get, is too much.
As it is most of the youngsters up here getting the vote think it's regressive rubbish and the fact there is an 'NHS for Yes' movement just makes me sick.
How dare they try to grab at something we all of us built up.
Nasty, nasty idiots.
Rant done!
And wish us luck:)
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IanB
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Edited Aug 10, 2014, 07:32
Re: George Galloway
Aug 10, 2014, 07:26
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That's all true. There are plenty of people in England who would like to see a "Yes" vote in the hope that it would function as a reset for the other three countries and do so without thinking far beyond the vote itself. The prospect of a permanent Tory majority in what remains of the UK seems to bother folks not jot. Which of course might have more to do with a lack of faith in what a post New Labour left of centre party can achieve in practice. The idea that "they're all the same" is the greatest trick that the right have pulled on the UK electorate. Leads to people taking unthinking positions as a rebellion against politics as a whole.
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Moon Cat
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Edited Aug 10, 2014, 11:35
Re: George Galloway
Aug 10, 2014, 11:34
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The trouble with George Galloway is that his ego and vanity often have the effect of undermining whatever cause he's espousing, no matter how righteous. It can be hard to shake the feeling that George's number one priority is George Galloway. He's kinda like a lefty Boris Johnson in that respect.
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sanshee
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Re: George Galloway
Aug 11, 2014, 11:25
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Hi Ian.
Totally agree.
I'm on blogs quite a bit, following the general 'reasons' for the Yes vote.
One that's mooted is that UKIP are making headway to parliament, and only Yes vote will quash that.
Unfortunately Scotland returned a UKIP seat in the EU elections.
So all this bunkum abut us all being such super caring socialists up here is yet another myth.
As it is, UKIP are toast soon as their domestic manifesto comes out.
Regarding GG's words again, and regarding the threat of the Tories in perpetuity, 'the race to the bottom' starts from then on in.
x
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IanB
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Re: George Galloway
Aug 11, 2014, 17:30
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Moon Cat wrote: The trouble with George Galloway is that his ego
For me it's the hat!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l9tQ922OCU
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