FourWinds
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Re: Gates of Hell
Jul 19, 2002, 12:15
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I wouldn't go that far but my likkle angle poise iMac is far superior to me old PC.
Love it !!!!
Bill! I spit in your eye from 50 paces.
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grufty jim
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Re: Gates of Hell
Jul 19, 2002, 12:38
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Hardly the appropriate forum, i guess, but i just have to wade in here and provide a modicum of balance. i'm not saying i'm a fan of Microsoft... in the same way i'm not "a fan" of any large corporation; but i do think they get far more criticism than they perhaps merit.
As large corporations go, they don't do nearly as much damage as most (in fact, the majority of damage they inflict seems to be upon other large companies). i mean, when compared with a large media conglomerate like AOL Time Warner, they are positively squeaky clean (which is why i no longer have any sympathy for the Netscape as alternative folks... get Mozilla or Opera if you're serious about that line of reasoning; but don't tell me the conglomerate that includes CNN and Time magazine are somehow the ethical choice).
And Apple truly aren't any better. By definition, if you have public shareholders then your company places profit above all other considerations. That's how capitalism works. Just 'cos you hire edgier advertisement execs doesn't make you "less corporate" or less greed orientated.
(i have a serious issue with the Apple Corporation and their use of Einstein's image in their Think Different advert... just as Stephen Fry lost a huge amount of my respect when he did that Nestlé advert with Einstein's image spliced in. Albert was resolutely opposed to such things. He refused to do any commercial endorsements and spoke out against capitalism frequently. He loathed the idea that he be used to sell products. So i just seethe at the cynical manipulation of the man's beliefs when i see "Think Different" (and buy our stuff)
Phew, glad that's off my chest.
i'm not saying the Microsoft Corp are in any way better... and if you dig the Mac OS and use Macs cos you actually think they are better technology; then groovy. i don't; but that's a matter of opinion and personal preference. If, however, someone claims that Apple is "better" in some other way, than the evil MS Empire; then i point them to "Think Different".
Also, those new iMacs with the flat display and desk-lamp form factor appear - to me anyhoo - to be a staggering example of a wasted opportunity. With Microsoft about to launch the tablet PC on the world (a potential tech quantum leap... or perhaps a damp squib; we shall see), it completely confused me as to why Apple didn't keep the iMac in development for another few months and make the screen detachable - convertible into a handly notepad iMac.
Now *that* would have stolen Microsoft's thunder. Instead it's just a Mac, but in a different shape (albeit an aesthetically pleasing one).
Anyways; the MS vs. Apple debate is actually very boring; and this is hardly the place to have it anyways. But don't anyone kid themselves that Apple is somehow fluffier... no sir-ee. On that issue, just "Think Different".
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stray
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Re: Gates of Hell
Jul 19, 2002, 12:54
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Indeed. Steve Jobs is a very bad man. He actively encouraged hatred and competition between departments within Apple as it was 'good for the company'. He ate many ouls with that approach, and now he's even banned journalists he doesn't like from his Mac expo shows. bill Gates is, undeniably, a mad control freak, but he pales into insignificance against Jobs and the way he treats his staff and customers.
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Wotan
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Re: Instruments of the Devil
Jul 19, 2002, 14:05
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right then, its back to my old ZX Spectrum! at least Clive Sinclair was never accused of powermongering.. or was he?!
Slate tablets here I come!
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cancer boy
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Pain is just another form of experience
Jul 19, 2002, 14:18
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...as Mr Jobs was fond of saying to employees who'd been working for 36 hours straight. Anyone who gives me the "ooh, M$ is evil" line needs to reevaluate their priorities in a world of ethnic cleansing, starvation, impending extinction and so on. My goodness, they bundled a web browser with their operating system. I'm speechless with rage.
I use Macs and PCs depending on whichever is fit for the particular purpose, I hate using UNIX for all the same reasons that people who like it think it's great, frankly I say bollocks to the entire "debate" as it's an exercise in futility pursued by people with no worthwhile point of view who just happen to have a forum in which to express it. Give an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters and you'd end up with USENET. Rant, seethe, gibber.
Medication time!
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stray
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Re: Pain is just another form of experience
Jul 19, 2002, 15:09
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Heheh, yeah, but yr mising the point that those (myself included) that care enough to post/discuss these complete irrelevancies are bigoted geeks with a skewed set of priorities. As it's r day job it affects, we care too much about such things. Frankly I can't see the point of most OS and Dev tool advances of the last 10 years, irrespective of the ethics of their source. ++ after any language always means ineffiecient bloated crap and u can shove Java up yer ass an' all. Anyhoo Linux still doesnt have the apps, but I loves it, 'till RedHat, SuSE & Slackware fuck it up, which they will ;)
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