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Deepinder Cheema 1972 posts |
Oct 19, 2009, 06:43
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The BBC are just beating themselves up over this conflict of free speech -vs- any combination of incitement, all the lessons of the past that are learnt/not learnt etc etc I can see this has been debated by a BBC Committee. I miss the simple days of a 'Gandalf' figure when he couldjust say NO! it 'aint going to happen. Griffin is the same as Hitler - I dunno whether he has experienced a bad incident in his formative years, but he had a bee in his bonnet about something that has turned him to the angry and frankly neurotic b'suited uniform wearing person that he is. If the BBC are going to put him on - lets not have Bonnie Greer - put Frankie Boyle* on and have some infighting as to who is going to have to sit next to him. *Is it true that Griffin was the only boy at a private Girls school, Comment by FB on a topical news quiz.
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Jim Tones 5142 posts |
Oct 19, 2009, 11:44
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Shelby Mustang wrote: it's an odd one isn't it? shit as the BNP is they do have rights. that doesn't mean we shouldn't throw stones and drop grand pianos on them from thirteenth storey windows when they walk past but alas they do have rights. the entertainment value of watching the idiot paint himself into a corner is surely worth running the risk of being called a nazi by the telegraph though. Ha yeah, who the fuck are the Daily Telegraph anyway? The Guardian are the same, yuppy champagne socialists! Whether I want to watch a documentary about Nazis, Blue Whales or Serial Killers is my choice ;-D The sooner people realise that fascism is no different to communism (as well as all that sharia shite), the better for everyone (although it will never happen of course).
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Edited Oct 20, 2009, 18:09
Oct 19, 2009, 15:18
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Jim Tones wrote: Shelby Mustang wrote: it's an odd one isn't it? shit as the BNP is they do have rights. that doesn't mean we shouldn't throw stones and drop grand pianos on them from thirteenth storey windows when they walk past but alas they do have rights. the entertainment value of watching the idiot paint himself into a corner is surely worth running the risk of being called a nazi by the telegraph though. Ha yeah, who the fuck are the Daily Telegraph anyway? The Guardian are the same, yuppy champagne socialists! Whether I want to watch a documentary about Nazis, Blue Whales or Serial Killers is my choice ;-D The sooner people realise that fascism is no different to communism (as well as all that sharia shite), the better for everyone (although it will never happen of course). Hmmm. Fascism is extremely different from communism (ideologically at least), because it's based around the belief in a natural and inevitable hierarchy amongst humans whilst communism - at least in theory - is based around the principle that all humans have the potential to become equal. This doesn't mean that the results of communism are any better in practise than those of fascism, but the conceptually they're diametrically opposed.
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ratcni01 916 posts |
Oct 19, 2009, 17:52
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It's like treat everyone as if they were angels vs treat everyone as if they were devils or Freud vs Rogers How to simplify and loose impact in one easy lesson!
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Jim Tones 5142 posts |
Oct 19, 2009, 21:06
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Popel Vooje wrote: Hmmm. Fascism is extremely different from communism (ideologically at least), because it's based around the belief in a natural and inevitable hierarchy amongst humans whilst communism - at least in theory - is based around the principle that all humans have the potential to become equal. This doesn't mean that the results of communism are any better in practise than the results of fascism, but the philosophy behind the two systemns of belief are diametrically opposed. They're both about extreme forms of control, is what I was getting at I suppose. Fuck Hitler! Fuck Mao!
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Shelby Mustang 605 posts |
Oct 19, 2009, 23:56
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i agree with you in that the format of the show is entirely inappropriate for these slugs because yeah' nestling in shoulder to shoulder with consevatives and liberals and shouting alongside them would be a really horrible thing to see and yes it would make my blood fair boil. well put. but we have to have these idiots outed for the extremists that they are and the gossamer veil of respectability that they feel protected behind must be set alight in public on air as often as bleedin' possible so that even the dullards that vote for them will see what a shower of shit they really are and that given an inch they'd take a mile and we'd all be out on our ears because if they got in power we'd all be rounded up for not wanting them in power and told to fuck off or spend some time in the big house. or something like that !
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Edited Oct 20, 2009, 15:13
Oct 20, 2009, 14:57
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Anyone see Helena Kennedy on the Andrew Marr show? She said of Griffin, 'he's Cambridge educated, not some torag'. Eh? From a woman who's supposed to support 'torags' the land over, breaking social barriers wherever and whenever in the name of human rights. I'd have replied, 'what a dump that Cambridge must be then to have produced the likes of him'. Silly woman. x
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Rolling Ronnie 1468 posts |
Oct 20, 2009, 15:54
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grufty jim wrote: I just don't think Question Time is the appropriate forum for the BNP. Inviting them to participate in a mainstream political debate, to be just one opinion among many, is to normalise the fascist voice. Which is a bloody awful thing to be doing. Interview them, certainly. I'm not suggesting active censorship. But don't invite them to the discussion table. We know exactly where that kind of ethnic nationalism leads. It has an established track record. And when they appear in the media, that's the context they should be presented in. Allowing them to share a platform with mainstream political figures, affording them the same time and space to air their views, preventing interruptions and treating their words with official respect...? Even these things indicate a level of acceptance of the BNP vision that should make us uncomfortable. Have we really not learned anything when it comes to this particular ideology? It should never be normalised. The BBC have dropped the ball on this one. I can't agree with you on this. In many ways it's the perfect place for them. It's not giving them a platform where they can spout forth their bile, unchallenged. It's not 'normalising' them because society has already done that by showing the tolerance to accept that free speech allows them a place in society and that parts of society, by supporting them in sufficient numbers, have allowed them to have some influence. I very much doubt that the BBC will bring them onto a QT where much is discussed except the issues where they have challenging views. By exposing them to challenge and accountability to the public through the studio audience and from their fellow panellists, I believe there is the greatest opportunity yet for them to be seen in their true light and do themselves significant damage thoughout the country as a whole. If that happens, the BBC truly will have provided a public service!
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sanshee 1080 posts |
Edited Oct 20, 2009, 16:23
Oct 20, 2009, 16:15
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Have to agree. It is only 'Question Time' after all. Certainly where alot of people 'get their politics', I know. But howabout that fine legal ruling that deems the BNP can not by law exclude non whites? How can they survive? Do they suddenly 'accept' non-whites now as a result? Wouldn't it be good for the nation to know his response to that one? I just hope we get to hear it. So long as Griffin doesn't makes jokes about his winkle whilst phoning some elderly actor or other the BBC will have nothing to worry about. :-) x
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Deepinder Cheema 1972 posts |
Oct 20, 2009, 16:49
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I think he got into Downing college (it has a really big lawn) But I'm sure he got in with his connections, which private schools and his family have rather than any academic abilty.
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