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pooley 501 posts |
Aug 21, 2009, 16:47
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elegant chaos wrote: I'm not judging her by what that chancellor did, I'm judging her by what she did. All I'm saying is - the fact that that particular chancellor was elected, the fact that she was elected, and I'll add the fact that Blair was elected, means that they all share two things in common 1 - The obvious - they had the most votes - thereby the most "popular" 2 - Much of the electorate were undeniably conned Agreed. But do many people look back with the same affection to these two as they do Thatch. Despite my opinion of her,and yours it is undeniable that she was a popular (sadly) and successful politician.
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elegant chaos 2390 posts |
Aug 21, 2009, 16:49
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True. It is amazing what people's greed, a few pairs of rose-tinted specs, and some gentle massages on the pages of recent history can do to a reputation.
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pooley 501 posts |
Aug 21, 2009, 16:51
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elegant chaos wrote: True. It is amazing what people's greed, a few pairs of rose-tinted specs, and some gentle massages on the pages of recent history can do to a reputation. Sadly, very true
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Edited Aug 21, 2009, 17:42
Aug 21, 2009, 17:30
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pooley wrote: elegant chaos wrote: I refer you to the last sentence of my previous post. Ok, that was a flip answer. And curse you for putting me in a position where I am defending Thatch!!! But, Without a doubt she was one of the most popular leaders this country has ever seen. A lot of people STILL call for her to return to politics, still get dewy eyed when talking about her time in parliament.Still think she was one of the best things that ever happened to this country. ...mostly people who are too young to remember the 80s in any detail at all, in my experience of arguing these things. Even many of the people who voted for her three times realised that she'd lost the plot by the end of her time in office. Even the majority of the cabinet ministers she appointed were pragmatic enough to realise that.
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pooley 501 posts |
Aug 21, 2009, 17:34
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Popel Vooje wrote: pooley wrote: elegant chaos wrote: I refer you to the last sentence of my previous post. Ok, that was a flip answer. And curse you for putting me in a position where I am defending Thatch!!! But, Without a doubt she was one of the most popular leaders this country has ever seen. A lot of people STILL call for her to return to politics, still get dewy eyed when talking about her time in parliament.Still think she was one of the best things that ever happened to this country. ...mostly people who are too young to remember the 80s in any detail at all, in my experience of arguing these things. Even many of the people who voted for her three times realised that she'd lost the plot by the end of her time in office. Even the majority of the cabinet ministers she appionted of her own ministers were pragmatic enough to realise that. No,I don't agree. Many people of my age still mis her. And people that are older see it as some kind of golden age of politics! ha!
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Aug 21, 2009, 17:54
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Hmmm... I guess you and I must mix in very different circles then. Everyone in my family hated her, always. Admittedly, I grew up in Surrey, which is Tory heartland, but by the end of the 80s even the Mole Valley constituency which had been a Conservative stronghold for over 30 years had begun to swing to towards the Lib Dems. I also vivdly remember seeing a group of people on the infamous 1990 Anti-Poll Tax demonstration carrying a placard with "Former Tories against the Poll Tax" emblazoned on it. I do know a couple of people ten or more years my junior who think she was the bees' knees though. In answer to them, I always remind them she said "There are in the Khmer Rouge some very reasonable people and they will have to take part in any future government in Kampuchea". Ruskie-hating Cold War demagogue endorses uber-Communist killing machine? Ironic, innit. No wonder her and Pinochet made such a lovely couple. If she'd been born into another culture she'd probably have been him.
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Moon Cat 9577 posts |
Edited Aug 21, 2009, 18:01
Aug 21, 2009, 17:59
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pooley wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: pooley wrote: elegant chaos wrote: I refer you to the last sentence of my previous post. Ok, that was a flip answer. And curse you for putting me in a position where I am defending Thatch!!! But, Without a doubt she was one of the most popular leaders this country has ever seen. A lot of people STILL call for her to return to politics, still get dewy eyed when talking about her time in parliament.Still think she was one of the best things that ever happened to this country. ...mostly people who are too young to remember the 80s in any detail at all, in my experience of arguing these things. Even many of the people who voted for her three times realised that she'd lost the plot by the end of her time in office. Even the majority of the cabinet ministers she appionted of her own ministers were pragmatic enough to realise that. No,I don't agree. Many people of my age still mis her. And people that are older see it as some kind of golden age of politics! ha! Even some of the Torie grandees kind of pussyfoot around the whole 'Thatcher' era these days, apart from the really detached, dozy buggers who haven't a clue - Captain Duck Hut and the like. Why do you think 'Dave' Cameron has spent so much time and money trying to convince the electorate that the all new, down with it Tories are far removed from Thatcher and her boot boys?
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pooley 501 posts |
Aug 21, 2009, 18:03
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Moon Cat wrote: pooley wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: pooley wrote: elegant chaos wrote: I refer you to the last sentence of my previous post. Ok, that was a flip answer. And curse you for putting me in a position where I am defending Thatch!!! But, Without a doubt she was one of the most popular leaders this country has ever seen. A lot of people STILL call for her to return to politics, still get dewy eyed when talking about her time in parliament.Still think she was one of the best things that ever happened to this country. ...mostly people who are too young to remember the 80s in any detail at all, in my experience of arguing these things. Even many of the people who voted for her three times realised that she'd lost the plot by the end of her time in office. Even the majority of the cabinet ministers she appionted of her own ministers were pragmatic enough to realise that. No,I don't agree. Many people of my age still mis her. And people that are older see it as some kind of golden age of politics! ha! Even some of the Torie grandees kind of pussyfoot around the whole 'Thatcher' era these days, apart from the really detached, dozy buggers who haven't a clue - Captain Duck Hut and the like. Why do you think 'Dave' Cameron has spent so much time and money trying to convince the electorate that the all new, down with it Tories are far removed from Thatcher and her boot boys? Only till he is elected. I bet my fucking kidney that she'll be there on election night for a photo op. Any way Cameron = Blair lite Blair = Thatcher lite
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elegant chaos 2390 posts |
Aug 21, 2009, 18:05
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True. Blair actually did admit in an interview that he was influenced by Thatcher's leadership techniques.
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Aug 21, 2009, 18:05
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pooley wrote: Moon Cat wrote: pooley wrote: Popel Vooje wrote: pooley wrote: elegant chaos wrote: I refer you to the last sentence of my previous post. Ok, that was a flip answer. And curse you for putting me in a position where I am defending Thatch!!! But, Without a doubt she was one of the most popular leaders this country has ever seen. A lot of people STILL call for her to return to politics, still get dewy eyed when talking about her time in parliament.Still think she was one of the best things that ever happened to this country. ...mostly people who are too young to remember the 80s in any detail at all, in my experience of arguing these things. Even many of the people who voted for her three times realised that she'd lost the plot by the end of her time in office. Even the majority of the cabinet ministers she appionted of her own ministers were pragmatic enough to realise that. No,I don't agree. Many people of my age still mis her. And people that are older see it as some kind of golden age of politics! ha! Even some of the Torie grandees kind of pussyfoot around the whole 'Thatcher' era these days, apart from the really detached, dozy buggers who haven't a clue - Captain Duck Hut and the like. Why do you think 'Dave' Cameron has spent so much time and money trying to convince the electorate that the all new, down with it Tories are far removed from Thatcher and her boot boys? Only till he is elected. I bet my fucking kidney that she'll be there on election night for a photo op. That's if she hasn't already had a state funeral, of course. But then again...
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