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licornenoire 18 posts |
Apr 02, 2009, 18:50
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Time the British got going... they get screwed (mainly) by their politicians and no one says a word. I live in France (and all ain't perfect here by any means...) but at least the French get out and protest.
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Apr 02, 2009, 22:26
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Merrick wrote: [quote="Hunter T Wolfe"]It was also inevitable that the press were going to use any excuse to run their pre-written stories of 'violent anarchist mobs attack the city' etc.[/quoe] I'm curious about why people who target an empty Royal Bank of Scotland building - at the heart of the financial and climate crises - are thugs to Pooley, but no mention of the cops who waded into people and broke heads for no reason. As usual. At the climate camp thing on Bishopsgate they tried to spark it off about 7pm and, just like their incursions to the climate camps at Heathrow and Kingsnorth, they failed. As at those other times, people stood their ground but held their hands in the air to show they were unarmed and chanted 'this is not a riot' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJRi7YR1bU From my one experience of being caught up in a riot (the 1990 anti-Polltax march, natch) it did look very much like the whole thing was sparked off by police heavy-handedness. The police kept stopping the marchers - ostensibly to prevent over-crowding in Trafalgar Square - which had the predictable (and inevitable) side-effect of fraying tempers and inciting a vocal minority to start throwing a few sticks and stones at the US embassy. This could easily have been controlled by apprehending individuals respoinsbile, but what did the riot police do? Charged the crowd and - as you say - started busting heads for no perceptible reason. And the right-wing press pretend to be surprised when demonstrators fight back? As your post implies, one man's law enforcement is another man's thuggery. You're also correct that the media reports have concentrated exclusively on the alleged violence of the protestors but have barely reported the police reaction at all. Predictable, depressing and sad. To watch that clip of climate camp demonstrators resolutely refusing to be alolow the poice or media to stereotype them as thugs despite overwhelming provocation was inspiring, tho.
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Vybik Jon 7720 posts |
Apr 03, 2009, 00:01
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Fucking right! Obama, Brown, Rudd, Harper, Jintao, Sarkozy, Merkel, Berlusconi, Aso, Myung-bak, Medvedev, Motlanthe, Zapatero, Erdogan and the rest of the thugs.
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geoffrey_prime 758 posts |
Apr 03, 2009, 02:10
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What were you actually there for? You say... Under the circumstances it seems to me that an attempt to occupy the Bank of Scotland was a legitimate act of protest; very much in the spirit of Paris 68 which 40 years on was the subject of many fond media reminiscences. Quite frankly, if that's your thinking, then if the fuzz rough you up a bit ...and send you on your way...then the the scales are balanced... Reviewing this thread with the "Fred the Shred" post...and I am even more sure - for the people causing real vandalism of any kind....I would lock them up.
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PMM 3155 posts |
Apr 03, 2009, 10:44
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Yeah. Them Suffragettes. Chaining themselves to railings. Bloody vandals. Lock 'em up. I'd say hang them, but hangings' too good for them.
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necropolist 1689 posts |
Apr 03, 2009, 11:44
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the RBS 'events' were quite clearly part of a well planned police operatin, it all worked out perfectly for them. Weeks of hype around 'violent' protests obviously require SOME violence to take place in order to justify the heavy handedness of the cops and any new powers. Leading the 'angry mob' down into an area they knew full well they could and would control, corralling tem in there, and then....just wait. Obviously there will be some ruccus, a bit of push and shove, maybe a few windows going through - ie exactly what we got. How much damage was done to RBS and/or 'the city'? The cost of all the disruption, new windows, a couple of computers, RBS would have made/lost the same amount within the time it took for the broken glass to fall to the ground. Meanwhile, the cops coral everyone for hours, make sure the press get some good pics of the 'riot', and that most of the protestors are actually bored shitless. And then, once the cameras have gone, they wade in and kick the shit out of everyone. It's the tactics they've been using for the last ten years at least, and they've all but perfected them.
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Hunter T Wolfe 1710 posts |
Apr 03, 2009, 12:35
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geoffrey_prime wrote: What were you actually there for? You say... Under the circumstances it seems to me that an attempt to occupy the Bank of Scotland was a legitimate act of protest; very much in the spirit of Paris 68 which 40 years on was the subject of many fond media reminiscences. Quite frankly, if that's your thinking, then if the fuzz rough you up a bit ...and send you on your way...then the the scales are balanced... Reviewing this thread with the "Fred the Shred" post...and I am even more sure - for the people causing real vandalism of any kind....I would lock them up. I was there to support the general cause, as an individual, not part of any group. And also to be an eyewitness to events rather than rely on press reports. My point was that "violent" protest (by which I mean damage to property rather than neccesarily to people) is often romanticised and seen as legitimate by the establishment years after the event. The Paris 1968 protests, celebrated and commemorated across the media last year, are a prime example. But would they be recalled at all if the protestors had been afraid of breaking a few windows? Having said that, I do agree that in this case if it wasn't actually a set-up by the police it was certainly consciously provoked. But assuming these 'criminal actions' are deliberate and even pre-meditated: of course these people shouldn't be above the law, but they take these actions for reasons they believe to be right, expecting that they will probably pay the penalty. Being tolerated by the system is not the objective; you expect to provoke a response. These people are not little children expecting to get away with being naughty. It's a public statement. I actually think that a certain amount of damage to property can help the cause, because it proves that people are genuinely angry and provokes debate as to the rights and wrongs of the situation. If demonstrations are overly fluffy, peaceful and fun, the demonstrators are patronised and ultimately ignored. The other stock angle, alongside 'vicious anarchist thugs,' is the one that suggests the protestors are really just nice kids having fun and a party and dancing and drumming in the sunshine- cue shots of good-natured police watching on and lines about the good old English tradition of tolerance etc etc and the real issues are glossed over as a result. I'm not advocating any kind of terrorism but these are desperate times and sometimes that needs to be dramatically expressed.
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Popel Vooje 5373 posts |
Edited Apr 03, 2009, 14:09
Apr 03, 2009, 14:08
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I agree. I mean, really - who, apart from those footing the bill (who have way too much money already, incidentally) gives a fuck about a few windown being smashed in a public building which will be covered by insurance? I'm against property damage if it's taken against an individual who can't afford to be compensated for the loss of income or resources, but property violence when committed against a rich and corrupt institution isn't immoral in the slightest, IMO. And no sweat about the poetry night, Hunter - I enjoyed it.
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mojojojo 1940 posts |
Apr 03, 2009, 14:45
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They can use the bit of my taxes that go towards Sir Fred's pension to pay for the windows. x
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bladup 1986 posts |
Apr 03, 2009, 20:16
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the royals should fuck of to the yanks and take the army murderers with them, the police are power crazy wankers who need to be disassembled, and the politicians need hanging from the trees, after the last civil war the power went mainly to the politicians who have now become just as corrupt as the royals were then, we don't want the power to go back to them so we all have to make sure the power comes at last to the people of the new republic, bring on the revolution motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!
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