Julian Cope presents Head Heritage

Gollywog. The point is, as I heard Jeremy Hardy say, we now know that when Carol Thatch sees black people she thinks, 'Oh gollywogs'. Glad to see though that you're almost seeing the point of challenging casual racism now. Shansee, and a few others have already made the age point here though. Never mind the poem, I'm surprised I haven't seen the 'baa baa green sheep' apocrypha yet.

That is a personal attack. What does it contribute to the debate other than saying 'meh, your motives aren't pure'.

*sigh*

The point is that unless we speak out against racism, it will flourish. This is how my parents brought me up, and I still find it a good rule to live by. It is that simple. Let us drop all the personal stuff and get to the nitty gritty. As I see it, if you do not speak out against racism, you are tacitly agreeing with it. It is irrelevant what the age or sex or creed or colour of person being racist is. If you can't be straight with your own friends and relations, what hope is there?

Edit: and by the way, you said that my grandad was the exception, and made out that this made it pointless saying anything. My point was that even if there is only a small chance of changing someone's mind, it is still worth explaining what you think. So the stats are irrelevant.

As for the poem, it may have become a cliche, but those are still powerful words, and they do express quite clearly that saying/doing nothing is not an option when it comes to racism (or, I suppose more accurately in the case of the poem, facism).

No, we know that when she sees a certain tennis player she thinks Gollywog. nothing else

No, we know that when she sees a certain tennis player she thinks Gollywog. nothing else

No, it wasn't a personal attack. it was me saying that i didn't believe a statement made, and that I might be wrong not to believe it

Ah right, I get it now. You think that people who have that word in their everyday vocabulary only use it, or think it, when a certain unique individual appears afore them. We disagree. We also think to let it slide makes us culpable and racist.



Pedantry, or sophistry. I'm not sure, either way, its no rational contribution considering the word is a word of derisive categorisation.

The stats are still irrelevant.

Perhaps Stray is right, we've run with this about as far as it will go. As he said, it would appear that I think it is correct to argue against any form of caual racism, and you don't. I think the age of the person is irrelevant, you don't. I think that is a fair summary, and we don't want to keep chasing our tails on this.

I hope at least this has made you think a bit more deeply. I'd like to assure you that I don't say these things just for my own satisfaction, I really mean it. I ain't that shallow guv, honest.

fair enough squid.
Look, I honestly don't think i was attacking you - if it came across as that, it was not my intent.
I'll stop chasing my tail, and yours.
See you in the next thread

I'll drink to that. *clink*
Squid