BSSM Steiner
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Re: anti-vivisectionists on medication?
Sep 08, 2005, 13:54
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but what do you think of what i said about anti-vivisectionist doube-think?
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BSSM Steiner
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Re: anti-vivisectionists on medication?
Sep 08, 2005, 13:56
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i'd appreciate those links, thanks.
i do want answers to my questions. i don't know why vybik jons gone such a wasp up his arse about my posting. this is a debate forum right?
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Popel Vooje
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Re: anti-vivisectionists on medication?
Sep 08, 2005, 16:56
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Yeah, I can believe that. I mean, what kind of sicko do you have to be to be able to do that kind of job in the first place?
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Popel Vooje
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Re: anti-vivisectionists on medication?
Sep 08, 2005, 17:00
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Indeed. Of course, human beings would never kill or eat each other savagely, would they?
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Popel Vooje
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Re: anti-vivisectionists on medication?
Sep 08, 2005, 17:11
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You may be at least partially right there, but I'm not so sure about your assertion that animals kill each other for fun rather than sustenance. It seems to me that most animals, in the wild at least, kill each other purely in order to survive. There are indeed some cases in which this is true of humans killing animals (e.g. in order to develop potential cures for life-threatening diseases such as cancer or AIDS). Somehow, though, I can't imagine wild animals dressing up in ridiculous costumes, getting ratarsed on sherry, tootling horns and spending hours chasing each other through fields as part of a social ritual.
Of course, if anyone has any examples, I'm happy to be proved wrong ...
One other point I would make about this whole argument is that only a couple of people so far have attempted to make the distinction between vital medical research to cure life-threatening and debilitating diseases (which I'm in favour of, providing it's VERY strictly monitored and the profit motive is removed) and the majority of medical research which goes into producing slight variations on products with which the market is already saturated (eg cold, flu and headache remedies). Surely we don't need any more of those?
Finally, as Nat ponted out, surely if we're going to subject animals to painful experiments in order to benefit ourselves, surely the poor buggers deserve to be treated with some consideration and respect before and after being tested? How can anyone possibly justify puching and kicking tormented animals that are kept in tiny cages and never exercised (thereby causing cxonsiderable mental torture) in order of subdue them so that they don't scream too much whilst they';re being tortured. Forgive me if this is a sweeping statement, but anyone who deosn't feel even a pang of conscience over such an issue is a desensitised wanker who deserves to be tortured themselves. People who torture animals in order to get gratuitous sadoistic kicks are BELOW animals on my evolutionary scale.. They may be nominally human, but I certainly don;t coiunt them as part of my species.
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FourWinds
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Re: anti-vivisectionists on medication?
Sep 08, 2005, 17:14
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>> in which he reckons an awful lot more of what we think and feel and like and dislike is
>> connected to evolutionary survival than is currently recognised.
If your son's theory of everything can explain the life cycle of a dragonfly through eveloution I'll be impressed! :-)
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FourWinds
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Re: anti-vivisectionists on medication?
Sep 08, 2005, 17:15
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It would also challenge the fact that people kill each other. Savagely!
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nigelswift
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Re: anti-vivisectionists on medication?
Sep 09, 2005, 05:41
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"It would also challenge the fact that people kill each other. Savagely!"
Yes of course, we have contrary impulsions and behaviours sometimes, but there is a basic roadmap within us, isn't there, that causes us to favour those who are closest to us? It seems to run very deep and is inescapable - I catch myself hoping the Midlands team will beat the Yorkshire one in Come Dancing. Pitiful, and illogical, as they all ought to have their legs chopped off, but it's there, implanted.
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dee
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Re: anti-vivisectionists on medication?
Sep 09, 2005, 13:19
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fancy a PINT?
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BSSM Steiner
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Re: anti-vivisectionists on medication?
Sep 09, 2005, 14:03
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am i being paranoid or is that an acronym for 'punch in the teeth'?
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