Lawrence
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Re: po-mo
Nov 18, 2003, 11:50
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It's shit by no-talents like Ellsworth Kelly, who makes oddly shaped canvases and simply paints them only one color. That's supposed to be art?
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stray
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Re: po-mo
Nov 19, 2003, 13:09
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I know what your saying but it's the analysis and criticism that makes it post-modern, not the art itself. I think it's conceptual art thats pissing you off. It pisses me off too.
The worst thing the conceptual movement did IMO is to say a work of art can exist purely as an idea in your head. </rant on> hmmm.. ah... no IT FUCKING CAN'T. Oh.. bloody great one there, lets remove all the inherent weight that a medium can add to a piece, bloody marvellous, thanks for that. <\rant off>
But I have a way to combat it. Refuse to accept that it is a conceptual piece and find a passionate & spiritual message or presence within it. Refuse to accept it's neutrality, or it's intellectual context.
The other great crime of the conceptual movement is to say 'everyone is an artist'. This has resulted in the net being cast far and wide, dragging all manner of no talent shite into our 'art spaces' (art spaces is another problem which I can bluster on about with wide bulging eyes for hours). No. Everyone is NOT an artist. I have no solution to combatting this problem, apart from kicking in the crap they make and being dragged away by the coppers. But, I do know how to tell the difference between an artist and a chancer. Artists cannot truly describe every square inch of their work and every aesthetic decision they make, eventually they find themselves shrugging and saying 'erm... I dunno actually'. The chancers however can explain everything they do in incredible detail.
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MonkeyBoy
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Re: po-mo
Nov 19, 2003, 13:18
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"The worst thing the conceptual movement did IMO is to say a work of art can exist purely as an idea in your head".
The people who say this should have their heads on silver platters. Then what ever went on inside there head would be art. An apple placed in the orifice would make a good finishing touch as well.
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anthonyqkiernan
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Re: po-mo
Nov 19, 2003, 13:30
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Careful there, my simian friend, you may be setting yourself up as the first candidate.
;0})
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MonkeyBoy
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Re: po-mo
Nov 19, 2003, 14:55
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I think I need humour lessons from Charles & Stray ;-)
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stray
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Re: po-mo
Nov 19, 2003, 15:07
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humour !?!? When dealing with someone incapable of understanding other human beings !??! Me ? What the hell would I waste my time doing that for ? Be funny ? you've got the wrong guy. ;)
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MonkeyBoy
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Re: po-mo
Nov 19, 2003, 15:14
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don't worry Stray, I find the attitudes you were confronting very frustrating myself.
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MonkeyBoy
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Re: po-mo
Nov 19, 2003, 21:18
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I should say this wasn't meant as a personal swipe at any one,.
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Lawrence
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Re: po-mo
Nov 19, 2003, 23:19
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It's not the idea itself that matters. It's if there's a meaning behind it, whether political, social or personal or otherwise. I just hate art that is empty.
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MonkeyBoy
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arts for arts sake
Nov 19, 2003, 23:23
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Yep It's got have something to it. Art completely seperated from reality is bound to become empty.
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