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tiompan 5758 posts |
Edited Feb 05, 2017, 15:33
Feb 05, 2017, 15:31
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Unlike here , when the Ulchi refer to the ancestors , they could mean the punters who lived in the same area as themselves up to 8000 YA . http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/ancient-dna-reveals-genetic-continuity-between-stone-age-and-modern-populations-in-east-asia
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tjj 3606 posts |
Edited Feb 05, 2017, 16:50
Feb 05, 2017, 16:15
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tiompan wrote: Unlike here , when the Ulchi refer to the ancestors , they could mean the punters who lived in the same area as themselves up to 8000 YA . http://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/ancient-dna-reveals-genetic-continuity-between-stone-age-and-modern-populations-in-east-asia Thanks for the link. Very interesting - have done some homework (googled a bit) and come up with this similar link. http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/ancient-women-found-russian-cave-were-close-relatives-today-s-indigenous-population
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Feb 05, 2017, 17:12
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Yep same place/data , it has caused a bit of a stir in the archaeogenetic community . The team were from Trinity College Dublin .
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Evergreen Dazed 1881 posts |
Feb 06, 2017, 12:28
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I went along to MPPs lecture at Devizes on Saturday, 'Finding Beaker people', very enjoyable indeed. I resisted asking 'Well, where did you last see them?'. For the most part it was a welcome overview of recently published work (various authors) which ultimately attempts to settle the question of Beaker migration v cultural 'take-on'. He touched on various points, isotope work a-go-go of course - CE Beaker origins and movement NW, Iberia, movement into and within britain (The peak district being particularly attractive to long distance walkers) and, pertinent to this thread, he briefly mentioned results of some very recent DNA work and the 'disapperance' of certain groups. This felt like a 'ta-da!' moment, but left us asking questions about it's significance. Some stuff re long & round skulls (cradle boards, head binding), stuff on tooth ware and diet, (prawn sandwiches off the menu), some surprising (to me) stuff on BA vs Neo interpersonal violence, the end of large scale communal building, some stuff on gold. (reminded of the 150,000 pieces in that dagger handle, unbelievable) A monograph is due this year, pretty essential I think. The tunnel was mentioned at the end, MPP favouring a bloody long one, starting and ending well beyond the WHS. (Thats not Wh Smiths) He said something simple which struck a chord - what is the point of having a WHS if it means people can come along and rip it to pieces? I quite agree. (Quick typing - work)
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Feb 06, 2017, 12:34
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"He said something simple which struck a chord - what is the point of having a WHS if it means people can comealong and rip it to pieces?" Yay, good for him! He might have added: "and if all the country's heritage bodies cut off their own balls and said it was fine to do so".
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Feb 06, 2017, 13:22
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Thanks for the info . The Beaker people project is brilliant , our understanding has come on leaps and bounds in the past decade , Garwood and Last deserve special mention in that regrad , and it will only improve .It sounds like a very good advert for the monograph , pity about lack of detail . Disappearance of some (I assume haplotypes ) groups , inter personal violence , iconoclasm , the huge change in culture . It was on (but not in )the cards some time ago .
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Evergreen Dazed 1881 posts |
Feb 06, 2017, 13:49
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tiompan wrote: Thanks for the info . The Beaker people project is brilliant , our understanding has come on leaps and bounds in the past decade , Garwood and Last deserve special mention in that regrad , and it will only improve .It sounds like a very good advert for the monograph , pity about lack of detail . Disappearance of some (I assume haplotypes ) groups , inter personal violence , iconoclasm , the huge change in culture . It was on (but not in )the cards some time ago . He covered a lot in 90 minutes, and yes, a good ad for the publication! The cradle stuff I was unaware of, but it goes some way to explaining the skulls (together with the genetics of course.) Not sure about the the DNA stuff, would need to wait and see.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Feb 06, 2017, 14:23
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Evergreen Dazed wrote: tiompan wrote: Thanks for the info . The Beaker people project is brilliant , our understanding has come on leaps and bounds in the past decade , Garwood and Last deserve special mention in that regrad , and it will only improve .It sounds like a very good advert for the monograph , pity about lack of detail . Disappearance of some (I assume haplotypes ) groups , inter personal violence , iconoclasm , the huge change in culture . It was on (but not in )the cards some time ago . He covered a lot in 90 minutes, and yes, a good ad for the publication! The cradle stuff I was unaware of, but it goes some way to explaining the skulls (together with the genetics of course.) Not sure about the the DNA stuff, would need to wait and see. Boas had demolished the skull nonsense a century ago ,but it was still part of the thinking here until the 60's , if not later . Isotope analysis is great but DNA takes a bit of beating . Did he say that there was some results to be announced for DNA ?
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Evergreen Dazed 1881 posts |
Feb 06, 2017, 14:48
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tiompan wrote: Evergreen Dazed wrote: tiompan wrote: Thanks for the info . The Beaker people project is brilliant , our understanding has come on leaps and bounds in the past decade , Garwood and Last deserve special mention in that regrad , and it will only improve .It sounds like a very good advert for the monograph , pity about lack of detail . Disappearance of some (I assume haplotypes ) groups , inter personal violence , iconoclasm , the huge change in culture . It was on (but not in )the cards some time ago . He covered a lot in 90 minutes, and yes, a good ad for the publication! The cradle stuff I was unaware of, but it goes some way to explaining the skulls (together with the genetics of course.) Not sure about the the DNA stuff, would need to wait and see. Boas had demolished the skull nonsense a century ago ,but it was still part of the thinking here until the 60's , if not later . Isotope analysis is great but DNA takes a bit of beating . Did he say that there was some results to be announced for DNA ? He said it was a bit 'hush-hush'(!) at the moment, I assume that means it'll be published in due course.
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Evergreen Dazed 1881 posts |
Feb 06, 2017, 15:58
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tiompan wrote: iconoclasm Not that MPP said much about it, but I find that a bit of a murky area. I wanted to ask him about stuff like the avenues at Avebury, which came later than the circle, iirc, well after 2400bc. And the barrows that surround Avebury, what does that indicate in those terms? The RSCs are another example where there seems to be a blending of ideas rather than some kind of 'take over'.
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