thesweetcheat
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The Celts BBC2
Oct 05, 2015, 21:43
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Bit of a late post, but on now and no doubt on the iplayer later. Some nice objects, some of the content seems to reflect a rather earlier view of the Iron Age: "Hillforts where chiefs lived".
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thesweetcheat
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Re: The Celts BBC2
Oct 05, 2015, 22:06
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Was a bit all over the place in the end, not enough basis in archaeology, too much reliance on Roman histories.
Next week will presumably feature Asterix (hopefully).
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Sin Agog
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Re: The Celts BBC2
Oct 05, 2015, 23:48
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Did you ever watch the '80s doc series of the same name? It was quite a magical and evocative experience if memory serves- like a Celtic version of Carl Sagan's Cosmos. It's up on youtube so I think I'll watch it again now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i72wvqk0tbE
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tjj
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Edited Oct 06, 2015, 23:18
Re: The Celts BBC2
Oct 06, 2015, 13:52
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thesweetcheat wrote: Bit of a late post, but on now and no doubt on the iplayer later. Some nice objects, some of the content seems to reflect a rather earlier view of the Iron Age: "Hillforts where chiefs lived".
I've recorded it and have just watched the first 30 minutes (will watch the rest later). I found Neil Oliver's visit to the Hallstatt Salt Mines quite astonishing. The graves of 5,000 people dating back to 800BC were excavated back in the mid-19th Century. Most of the skeletons showed evidence of labouring in the underground labyrinth of salt-mines beneath the mountain where they were buried. Neil Oliver went down into the mines (not for the claustrophobic) and you can't help but share his delight in seeing salt preserved prehistoric human poo still to be found down there.
Edit: Watched the rest of programme this evening, enjoyed it very much. As always, Alice Roberts and Neil Oliver (though never appearing in shot together) are splendid presenters making everything they talk about accessible. Am always fascinated by the "Celtic language" as in Gaelic, Welsh and Cornish.
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Astralcat
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Re: The Celts BBC2
Oct 06, 2015, 14:03
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Missed this. Thanks for the heads up. I'll do an I Player job.
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Astralcat
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Re: The Celts BBC2
Oct 06, 2015, 14:03
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Sin Agog wrote: Did you ever watch the '80s doc series of the same name? It was quite a magical and evocative experience if memory serves- like a Celtic version of Carl Sagan's Cosmos. It's up on youtube so I think I'll watch it again now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i72wvqk0tbE
Nice one. Great link. Not seen this!
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spencer
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Re: The Celts BBC2
Oct 06, 2015, 20:27
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Ta, repeated tonight 23-45
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moss
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Re: The Celts BBC2
Oct 07, 2015, 09:03
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thesweetcheat wrote: Was a bit all over the place in the end, not enough basis in archaeology, too much reliance on Roman histories.
Next week will presumably feature Asterix (hopefully).
It was very dramatic, lot of emphasis on killing, but then that is what you expect when presenting The Celts.... We went to the Hochdorf museum and saw that Celtic chief burial replication, it is very striking, lots of modern work went into recreating it.
How do we understand these people, barbaric and looting and yet able to organise against Rome and of course also inspire beautiful, elegant gold work and art...
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thesweetcheat
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Re: The Celts BBC2
Oct 07, 2015, 22:08
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A response piece:
http://www.historytoday.com/rachel-pope/celts-blood-iron-and-sacrifice
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tjj
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Re: The Celts BBC2
Oct 07, 2015, 23:12
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thesweetcheat wrote:
A very good response which (for me) added quite a bit of context to the programme. Needless to say I liked the references to women in prehistory ...
"And if they’re not migrating, I learn that Celts are fighting. And that they were all men; which is odd because in some regions, at some times, the archaeological record distinctly tells us that Early Iron Age society was really more to do with the power of women. Maybe the female rulers of the late Hallstatt period will be in the next episode. For now, I’m learning that the Celtic hordes were male, that the iron workers were male, and that the leaders were male. I always wonder when I encounter these utopian masculinist visions of my period, how these men reproduced ...."
Rachel Pope is Senior Lecturer in European Prehistory at the University of Liverpool - I wonder if she is expecting too much from a television programme which is not really aimed at students of archaeology, rather a wider audience with a more general interest.
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