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bladup 1986 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 21:13
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nigelswift wrote: bladup wrote: Oh i know, they understood more in the 60's as well what with all that trippin. No, I was there and they thought they did but they didn't, as most of them will now tell you. Hearing all the sixties stuff being trotted out with such blissful certainty in 2012 is like a walk down Memory Lane to a time when the world was daft. bloody hell this site wouldn't exist if it wasn't for trippin, ask Julian.
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Harryshill 510 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 21:15
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Do me a favour. Tripping never got us nowhere.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 21:16
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bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: Sanctuary wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: Lots of these patterns (particularly spirals, zig zags and chevrons) appear in the edges of message pads when people doodle while on the phone/in meetings. I'm not sure that most of the people are taking hallucinogens at work (I could be wrong), so isn't an equally plausible explanation that these are the sort of patterns people make when decorating things? Hell of a doodle in stone eh. Can you imagine the phone bill for a three week call :-) Ha, a lot of stone tools could have been sharpened in the process of making the rock art as well, these people did like killing two birds with one stone [3 or 4 if they could], making art and at the same time stone tools sounds good to me. The creation of rock art tends to result in the dulling of points not sharpening . Rubbing tools [and various other tools] need dulling before use and rock art is made in various ways, as you well know. You mentioned sharpening . What gets found at rock art sites in those few cases where they have been excavated is lots of smashed quartz and possible hammer stones .Nothing wrong with killing two birds with one stone but it doesn't seem that likely from from what we have found at these rock art sites that have been excavated some tools would have clearly been made in the process, of course they would, it makes the time spent doing the art more worthwhile and is just common sense. Maybe the tools used were seen as "holy ". Seriously ,where are these tools ? We have found the discarded tools that did some of the engraving . "We have found the discarded tools that did some of the engraving" there of course. But they were simply used for the job then dumped at the site ,they had no other use . How do you know this? I've seen them , and know what a used engraving stone looks like whether used with direct or indirect percussion . If you are suggesting that they might have had another use then why are they found at the site and not elsewhere and and why not accompanied by other tools ? ,it's the most obvious conclusion . but they may have had another use on site, you don't know they didn't. They may have , I think it unlikely as there were so many , and nothing else to suggest a use for them othr than used hammerstones . A bit like finding spent cartridge shells , it could have been a hard up flute band with nothing to blow into but morelikely shooter(s) .
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 21:20
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Sanctuary wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: tiompan wrote: bladup wrote: Sanctuary wrote: thesweetcheat wrote: Lots of these patterns (particularly spirals, zig zags and chevrons) appear in the edges of message pads when people doodle while on the phone/in meetings. I'm not sure that most of the people are taking hallucinogens at work (I could be wrong), so isn't an equally plausible explanation that these are the sort of patterns people make when decorating things? Hell of a doodle in stone eh. Can you imagine the phone bill for a three week call :-) Ha, a lot of stone tools could have been sharpened in the process of making the rock art as well, these people did like killing two birds with one stone [3 or 4 if they could], making art and at the same time stone tools sounds good to me. The creation of rock art tends to result in the dulling of points not sharpening . Rubbing tools [and various other tools] need dulling before use and rock art is made in various ways, as you well know. You mentioned sharpening . What gets found at rock art sites in those few cases where they have been excavated is lots of smashed quartz and possible hammer stones .Nothing wrong with killing two birds with one stone but it doesn't seem that likely from from what we have found at these rock art sites that have been excavated some tools would have clearly been made in the process, of course they would, it makes the time spent doing the art more worthwhile and is just common sense. Maybe the tools used were seen as "holy ". Seriously ,where are these tools ? We have found the discarded tools that did some of the engraving . "We have found the discarded tools that did some of the engraving" there of course. But they were simply used for the job then dumped at the site ,they had no other use . How do you know this? I've seen them , and know what a used engraving stone looks like whether used with direct or indirect percussion . If you are suggesting that they might have had another use then why are they found at the site and not elsewhere and and why not accompanied by other tools ? ,it's the most obvious conclusion . but they may have had another use on site, you don't know they didn't. Has anyone any actual experience of stone engraving? It was hardly a ride in the park I shouldn't think! I helped Andy Mcfetters a bit with one of his commisions and did a few other things in the garden , it's not particularly difficult , about 10 minutes for a cup ,I'm sure if you were used to it you could do it quickly . According to Andy doing a over four rings is not so easy more skill required for that . that's just the physical side .
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bladup 1986 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 21:21
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thesweetcheat wrote: Have you read my reply? I did yes sorry about that, but it's true, have you ever thought about it? it's something i think you'd love, it's wonderful [it would be not what you think [supernature] and exactly what you think [supernature] both at the same time] and you'd learn more doing it once than you could by reading a 1000 books, the government throws it in with other "drugs" to give it a bad name because they don't understand it [therefore fear it].
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Harryshill 510 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 21:22
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Trip and you get a trip. Why don't you understand that? Tripping is nothing but tripping
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 21:22
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thesweetcheat wrote: This is more like the bottom part of a sphere (like it's been scraped out with an ice-cream scoop, but not to any great depth). Does that make sense? Yep , sometimes shallow cups are result of weathering . What type of stone is it d ?
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bladup 1986 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 21:24
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Harryshill wrote: Do me a favour. Tripping never got us nowhere. Ha ha it probably only made the modern human mind, that's all.
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bladup 1986 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 21:25
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Harryshill wrote: Trip and you get a trip. Why don't you understand that? Tripping is nothing but tripping your not making any sense, are you drunk?[a real harmful "drug"]
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bladup 1986 posts |
Dec 17, 2012, 21:26
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Harryshill wrote: No it's not. Why don't you know this ??? But i do.
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