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Rockrich 448 posts |
Feb 07, 2012, 22:22
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rockhopper wrote: Thanks a mill. Finally got something up on youtube. Put this in to the address bar and you should go straight to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Axfa7cWGI&blend=1&lr=1&ob=0 Hello Rockhopper, that looks like the link that only the Youtube account holder can use. Under the video, there's a tab for 'Share', press that (or whoever has put it on for you) and it'll give you the shareable link. Alternatively, you could provide the title of the video and folks will be able to search. best of luck.
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Feb 08, 2012, 08:06
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I watched a bit of it. You can get to it through a search for youtube Comeragh rock field
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rockhopper 275 posts |
Feb 08, 2012, 11:20
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I'm struggling to retain my composure here. Your voice was the loudest in the demand for "evidence". It took the best part of 2 days to provide it. Is 12 minutes of your life too much to spare to look at it?
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Feb 08, 2012, 11:39
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Oi! All I said was I watched a bit of it. I didn't say I wouldn't be watching the rest. I don't intend to be your "target" for not saying I agree with your findings - you seem to have plenty of those. So I'll leave it to others to comment for now and maybe come back in due course.
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moss 2897 posts |
Feb 08, 2012, 11:53
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Well I watched the whole video, it's a very bleak rocky landscape of a place with the wind providing an eerie background. I'm not an expert so can't really comment but the heaped stones here and there are very enigmatic, they could be burials but why such an untidy jumble? Anyway here is the link at last..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3AXfa7cWGI
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rockhopper 275 posts |
Feb 08, 2012, 15:34
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Thanks for that. Its the untidy jumble that is intriguing. Natural geological processes tend to lie things flat and leave them there. None of this is lying flat, it all sticks out at mad angles. Bit like chevaux de frise but not as organised. Any geologists out there with an opinion?
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Resonox 604 posts |
Feb 08, 2012, 17:56
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Well I'd agree there are stones which appear to be laid in rectangular and circular formations...there are other stones piled without any seeming regular forethought but not looking entirely natural and yes I'd also agree there is a disorganised untidiness (as nature sometimes does)and there is indeed what looks like an awful lot of stone "movement" and infringement, compared to other mass internment sites but is this ancient or relatively newly done? So it is intriguing to us non-experts.. but is this enough evidence for the "experts" to whet their appetite for further exploration(and should it be) if it is a possible necropolis?...Have there been any finds of grave goods in and around any of the formations as a few would have risen to the surface in a possible graveyard of this size? Is there any way of dating when the stones were laid(if laid we agree they were) as they are...I suppose moss formations/patterns etc would be a definitive way of dating...I'm sure there are more experienced voices out there.
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rockhopper 275 posts |
Feb 08, 2012, 21:20
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O.K. Lets go with the radical for a moment. This will no doubt be met with derision from some quarters, but its based on a great deal of fieldwork and research. Many of the large stone cairns in south east Ireland have dished interiors. They also have small ante-chambers, and incorporate pits, for want of a better description. These have been described as "wind shelters" in the past, despite the fact that their shelter potential is in most cases zero. Myself and a colleague, Mr Michael Power, (responsible 10 years ago for discovering the Carrigaruppera-H1 alignment in Coumaraglin on the equinoxes, one of the most spectacular visual alignments in this country) have arrived at the following conclusion. It is not entirely speculative, as evidence in the field is supportive. We believe it is possible that some form of sky burial was practised in pre christian Ireland, similar to that practised by the Parsee religion and Tibetan Bhuddists. We speculate that bodies were left in the dished interiors of the cairns, which in every instance are in remote locations far from the general population. After carrion had dealt with the flesh, the bones were then retrieved, and subsequently cremated in the stone bowls which can be found throughout these mountains. This would explain the burnt stone, and the size of some of the bowls which are far too small to accomodate entire bodies. We then think the ashes were interred in the re-arranged rockfields, of which over 5 square kilometres have now been documented, and marked by distinctive stone piles. This would tie in with the statements by Mitchell and Ryan "that other forms of burial or disposal were practised which left little or no trace on the landscape." It is also a plausible explanation for the features which exist in the upland landscape of south east Ireland. It is at this stage only a theory, but one based on ten years of extensive fieldwork. It is perhaps deserving of further investigation.
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tiompan 5758 posts |
Feb 08, 2012, 21:53
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rockhopper wrote: We believe it is possible that some form of sky burial was practised in pre christian Ireland, similar to that practised by the Parsee religion and Tibetan Bhuddists. We speculate that bodies were left in the dished interiors of the cairns, which in every instance are in remote locations far from the general population. After carrion had dealt with the flesh, the bones were then retrieved, and subsequently cremated in the stone bowls which can be found throughout these mountains. This would explain the burnt stone, and the size of some of the bowls which are far too small to accomodate entire bodies. We then think the ashes were interred in the re-arranged rockfields, of which over 5 square kilometres have now been documented, and marked by distinctive stone piles. Cremation of post excarnation bone would require a sizable pyre , which would leave an impact on the ground plus it is unlikely the entire bone assemblage would be cremated. Typically small bones of the ear , hand and feet fall from the body either pre pyre or whilst on the pyre , there would be remains to be found in the area if this practice had taken place
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rockhopper 275 posts |
Feb 08, 2012, 22:04
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After the passage of two thousand years? I think not. I stated pre Christian. We did an experiment using sheep bones 4 years ago, replicating one of the stone bowls. Theres nothing left. Just burnt stones.
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