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tiompan
tiompan
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Re: A History of Ancient Britain
Feb 23, 2011, 11:01
The Sea Cat wrote:
tiompan wrote:
tjj wrote:
Gwass wrote:
[quote="CARL"]The BBC magazine I read said the series stops at the Romans.

Hopefully so but the HOAB website says that it runs up to the end of roman britain in the 5th century.

I really hope not and it shouldn't as it contradicts the title of the series! I can imagine a v boring final episode charting roman britain and the contrast between England and Wales and the lucky Scots & Irish who weren't so aflicted. I think tomo night's should be the money as far as I'm concerned but just looked at the locations online Swinside, the orkney WHS's, Stonehenge, Durrington and The Boyne sites.



I'm enjoying the series very much, especially as plenty of ancient sites are featured. I believe Neil Oliver visits Stonehenge in tonight's episode, plus Skara Brae and a '6,000 year old axe factory in the Lake District'. Alison Graham in the RT describes Neil as a 'lucky blighter' as he wanders soulfully around Stonehenge in the 'fabulously dream-like' snow.

As Carl mentioned, it stops at the Iron Age and the Romans ... though I would be interested in a programme that looked at life in Britain under the Roman occupation to see how people lived along side them. We know Scotland remained 'free' but there must of been enclaves of people for whom life carried on as before with little or no influence from the Romans. Can't imagine the Romans having a big impact on rural Cornwall for example.


North Britain /Caledonia/Alba was far from Roman free June , they got at least as far north as Aberdeenshire and leaders from Orkney were subservient . Although there was persistent guerilla warfare not everyone thought it all bad either .


Ireland is an interesting case. It's long been held that the Romans made initial exploratory excursions and decided that the combination of landscape and hostile natives made it not worth expending further military effort on. However, they may well have had some social/cultural influence after all according to this article:

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba14/BA14FEAT.HTML

One thing is for sure, they certainly made up for it when the Roman Empire effectively transformed itself into the Roman Catholic Church, but that's another story....


The later Scandanavian and Norman invasion/settlement also get conveniently ignored in Scotland and Ireland when both , particularly the latter had major impacts .The english seem to have a more adult confident approach and accept their invasions and defeats .
The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat
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Re: A History of Ancient Britain
Feb 23, 2011, 11:06
tiompan wrote:
The Sea Cat wrote:
tiompan wrote:
tjj wrote:
Gwass wrote:
[quote="CARL"]The BBC magazine I read said the series stops at the Romans.

Hopefully so but the HOAB website says that it runs up to the end of roman britain in the 5th century.

I really hope not and it shouldn't as it contradicts the title of the series! I can imagine a v boring final episode charting roman britain and the contrast between England and Wales and the lucky Scots & Irish who weren't so aflicted. I think tomo night's should be the money as far as I'm concerned but just looked at the locations online Swinside, the orkney WHS's, Stonehenge, Durrington and The Boyne sites.



I'm enjoying the series very much, especially as plenty of ancient sites are featured. I believe Neil Oliver visits Stonehenge in tonight's episode, plus Skara Brae and a '6,000 year old axe factory in the Lake District'. Alison Graham in the RT describes Neil as a 'lucky blighter' as he wanders soulfully around Stonehenge in the 'fabulously dream-like' snow.

As Carl mentioned, it stops at the Iron Age and the Romans ... though I would be interested in a programme that looked at life in Britain under the Roman occupation to see how people lived along side them. We know Scotland remained 'free' but there must of been enclaves of people for whom life carried on as before with little or no influence from the Romans. Can't imagine the Romans having a big impact on rural Cornwall for example.


North Britain /Caledonia/Alba was far from Roman free June , they got at least as far north as Aberdeenshire and leaders from Orkney were subservient . Although there was persistent guerilla warfare not everyone thought it all bad either .


Ireland is an interesting case. It's long been held that the Romans made initial exploratory excursions and decided that the combination of landscape and hostile natives made it not worth expending further military effort on. However, they may well have had some social/cultural influence after all according to this article:

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba14/BA14FEAT.HTML

One thing is for sure, they certainly made up for it when the Roman Empire effectively transformed itself into the Roman Catholic Church, but that's another story....


The later Scandanavian and Norman invasion/settlement also get conveniently ignored in Scotland and Ireland when both , particularly the latter had major impacts .The english seem to have a more adult confident approach and accept their invasions and defeats .


A lot of English people also have a peculiar inability to understand their multi cultural/ethnic roots as well!

;-)
Squid Tempest
Squid Tempest
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Re: A History of Ancient Britain
Feb 23, 2011, 11:14
Just had a quick browse around the A History of Ancient Britain website. To my suprise, it appears they have inside knowledge as to how stone circles were built. Forget foam henge, stone rowing and all that...

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/history/handsonhistory/ancients_circle.pdf
tiompan
tiompan
5758 posts

Re: A History of Ancient Britain
Feb 23, 2011, 11:19
The Sea Cat wrote:
tiompan wrote:
The Sea Cat wrote:
tiompan wrote:
tjj wrote:
Gwass wrote:
[quote="CARL"]The BBC magazine I read said the series stops at the Romans.

Hopefully so but the HOAB website says that it runs up to the end of roman britain in the 5th century.

I really hope not and it shouldn't as it contradicts the title of the series! I can imagine a v boring final episode charting roman britain and the contrast between England and Wales and the lucky Scots & Irish who weren't so aflicted. I think tomo night's should be the money as far as I'm concerned but just looked at the locations online Swinside, the orkney WHS's, Stonehenge, Durrington and The Boyne sites.



I'm enjoying the series very much, especially as plenty of ancient sites are featured. I believe Neil Oliver visits Stonehenge in tonight's episode, plus Skara Brae and a '6,000 year old axe factory in the Lake District'. Alison Graham in the RT describes Neil as a 'lucky blighter' as he wanders soulfully around Stonehenge in the 'fabulously dream-like' snow.

As Carl mentioned, it stops at the Iron Age and the Romans ... though I would be interested in a programme that looked at life in Britain under the Roman occupation to see how people lived along side them. We know Scotland remained 'free' but there must of been enclaves of people for whom life carried on as before with little or no influence from the Romans. Can't imagine the Romans having a big impact on rural Cornwall for example.


North Britain /Caledonia/Alba was far from Roman free June , they got at least as far north as Aberdeenshire and leaders from Orkney were subservient . Although there was persistent guerilla warfare not everyone thought it all bad either .


Ireland is an interesting case. It's long been held that the Romans made initial exploratory excursions and decided that the combination of landscape and hostile natives made it not worth expending further military effort on. However, they may well have had some social/cultural influence after all according to this article:

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba14/BA14FEAT.HTML

One thing is for sure, they certainly made up for it when the Roman Empire effectively transformed itself into the Roman Catholic Church, but that's another story....


The later Scandanavian and Norman invasion/settlement also get conveniently ignored in Scotland and Ireland when both , particularly the latter had major impacts .The english seem to have a more adult confident approach and accept their invasions and defeats .


A lot of English people also have a peculiar inability to understand their multi cultural/ethnic roots as well!

;-)


I think that applies to many other nationalities too , the English do have a slight appreciation of their European roots .The Scots and Irish tend not to . Geneaology to an extent ,and technology i.e. DNA sampling could be the cure , "history " certainly isn't .
The Sea Cat
The Sea Cat
3608 posts

Re: A History of Ancient Britain
Feb 23, 2011, 11:24
As an Irishman born and raised here, I can honestly say that most Irish people are aware of their euro-cultural heritage in the distant past and in more recent times. It's part of a proud heritage, and is also reflected in the various waves of settlement in the legendary tradition, reflecting actual non-native cultural and ethnic incursions that make up the whole sense of national identity.
Howburn Digger
Howburn Digger
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Re: A History of Ancient Britain
Feb 23, 2011, 12:45
Gwass wrote:
[quote="CARL"] I can imagine a v boring final episode charting roman britain and the contrast between England and Wales and the lucky Scots & Irish who weren't so aflicted.


The area we now call Scotland was terribly afflicted by the Roman Empire and was subjected to nearly three centuries of Roman Invasions, campaigns and military occupation. All of Scotland's many roman remains are of a military nature (ie. no public bathouses, circuses, villas or temples). The Gask Ridge Frontier which runs from Braco to Perth formed the earliest known Roman military frontier in the world was built around around AD 79. A massive Legionary fortress was built a few years later at Inchtuthill near Meikleour by Agricola following the decisive battle of Mons Graupius. Campaigns continued throughout the time of the Antonine Wall in the 2nd Century. Septimus Severus later built a huge new base at Carpow near Newburgh further down the Tay to run punishing campaigns in the North East in ther early 3rd century.
England and Wales were only afflicted for a few years until they all started wearing togas, building villas and sitting around in bathhouses singing "'decem urnae pendent ex muro".
Gwass
193 posts

Re: A History of Ancient Britain
Feb 23, 2011, 15:29
Howburn Digger wrote:
Gwass wrote:
[quote="CARL"] I can imagine a v boring final episode charting roman britain and the contrast between England and Wales and the lucky Scots & Irish who weren't so aflicted.


The area we now call Scotland was terribly afflicted by the Roman Empire and was subjected to nearly three centuries of Roman Invasions, campaigns and military occupation. All of Scotland's many roman remains are of a military nature (ie. no public bathouses, circuses, villas or temples). The Gask Ridge Frontier which runs from Braco to Perth formed the earliest known Roman military frontier in the world was built around around AD 79. A massive Legionary fortress was built a few years later at Inchtuthill near Meikleour by Agricola following the decisive battle of Mons Graupius. Campaigns continued throughout the time of the Antonine Wall in the 2nd Century. Septimus Severus later built a huge new base at Carpow near Newburgh further down the Tay to run punishing campaigns in the North East in ther early 3rd century.
England and Wales were only afflicted for a few years until they all started wearing togas, building villas and sitting around in bathhouses singing "'decem urnae pendent ex muro".



I didn't know all of the details you listed though so thanks for that.

Yeah I know that Scotland wasn't untouched but it was never groverned by the Romans and retained it's culture. I'm quite interested in the resistance so it's the

"until they all started wearing togas, building villas and sitting around in bathhouses singing "'decem urnae pendent ex muro""

That I meant by being afflicted!
tjj
tjj
3606 posts

Re: A History of Ancient Britain
Feb 23, 2011, 15:44
Squid Tempest wrote:
Just had a quick browse around the A History of Ancient Britain website. To my suprise, it appears they have inside knowledge as to how stone circles were built. Forget foam henge, stone rowing and all that...

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/history/handsonhistory/ancients_circle.pdf



Now that you mention it ... I did drop by the Stonehenge Road Show at venue near me earlier today. Naturally aimed at children (half-term) it was a pleasure to observe. Yes, there was a 'life-size' inflatable trilithon (nothing to offend anyone though), a couple of people dressed in sheepskin and a display of artefacts - antler picks, fragments of bluestone and sarsen, flint tools and sarsen mauls. David Dawson, director of the Wiltshire Heritage Museum, was manning the display and encouraging the kids to touch and handle them.
I didn't stay too long but long enough to see a bunch of kids (one of them in a Superman outfit) pulling a large fake sarsen along on wooden rollers.
Great fun for them I should think.

I told DD I would give a little plug to the Ancient Briton Family Day to be held at the Wiltshire Heritage Museum, Devizes on Sunday 27th February from 11am (children free, adults £2).
tjj
tjj
3606 posts

Re: A History of Ancient Britain
Feb 23, 2011, 18:51
Howburn Digger wrote:
Gwass wrote:
[quote="CARL"] I can imagine a v boring final episode charting roman britain and the contrast between England and Wales and the lucky Scots & Irish who weren't so aflicted.


The area we now call Scotland was terribly afflicted by the Roman Empire and was subjected to nearly three centuries of Roman Invasions, campaigns and military occupation. All of Scotland's many roman remains are of a military nature (ie. no public bathouses, circuses, villas or temples). The Gask Ridge Frontier which runs from Braco to Perth formed the earliest known Roman military frontier in the world was built around around AD 79. A massive Legionary fortress was built a few years later at Inchtuthill near Meikleour by Agricola following the decisive battle of Mons Graupius. Campaigns continued throughout the time of the Antonine Wall in the 2nd Century. Septimus Severus later built a huge new base at Carpow near Newburgh further down the Tay to run punishing campaigns in the North East in ther early 3rd century.
England and Wales were only afflicted for a few years until they all started wearing togas, building villas and sitting around in bathhouses singing "'decem urnae pendent ex muro".


A great post HD (and thanks also Tiompan) - forum at its best when you log on for a quick read and come away knowing more than you did before. I always thought Hadrian's Wall was built to keep the marauding hoardes of Pictish warriors at bay. I hadn't even heard of the Antonine Wall but will read up on it now. Thanks!
Lubin
Lubin
509 posts

Re: A History of Ancient Britain
Feb 23, 2011, 19:19
The Romans were in Cornwall, there have been a few Forts discovered like this large one at Calstock.

http://www.culture24.org.uk/history+%26+heritage/archaeology/art53684

Lubin
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