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StoneGloves
StoneGloves
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Re: Other Events
Jul 03, 2009, 15:34
Question mark!

A. Since when it was first started.

Lammas is almost certain to be another day other than the first of August. Like the Chinese New Year celebrations in Newcastle's Chinatown are a week, sometimes ten days, after the actual new year starts. Only the pagans will be celebrating early.
StoneGloves
StoneGloves
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Re: Other Events
Jul 03, 2009, 15:40
Lammas will be on Friday the seventh, by my rough calculation. It *was* on August the first, centuries ago, until five days were added, to compensate for the accumulated errors of no leap years - was that in the seventeen hundreds?
handswithenergy
handswithenergy
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Re: 2009 Avebury Megameet - Other Events
Jul 03, 2009, 21:09
I don't see how such a ruling could possible be enforced. I will be at the druid events but not camping. So someone can have my spot lol.

I imagine the Free and Open Gorsedd will be longer than 30 minutes. It could also start earlier than that, depending on factors on the day. I generally get ready for 13:00 with an expectation for it starting from 13:30 onwards.

Matthew
megadread
1202 posts

Re: 2009 Avebury Megameet - Other Events
Jul 03, 2009, 21:28
handswithenergy wrote:
I don't see how such a ruling could possible be enforced. I will be at the druid events but not camping. So someone can have my spot lol.

I imagine the Free and Open Gorsedd will be longer than 30 minutes. It could also start earlier than that, depending on factors on the day. I generally get ready for 13:00 with an expectation for it starting from 13:30 onwards.

Matthew


Hi Matthew.
It's the fact that you have to take part in a druid ceremony that i have an issue with, surely its descriminates against other "faiths" who wish to be there to do their own thing and don't want to listen to Terry.
As you rightly say, it's an rule they can't possibly enforce but it's the principle of it that worries me.
Wouldn't surprise me if Terry patrolled the site looking for non druids to report.
I've yet to see any proof of this ruling anyway so maybe it's all hot air.
handswithenergy
handswithenergy
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Edited Jul 03, 2009, 21:51
Re: 2009 Avebury Megameet - Other Events
Jul 03, 2009, 21:49
megadread wrote:
handswithenergy wrote:
I don't see how such a ruling could possible be enforced. I will be at the druid events but not camping. So someone can have my spot lol.

I imagine the Free and Open Gorsedd will be longer than 30 minutes. It could also start earlier than that, depending on factors on the day. I generally get ready for 13:00 with an expectation for it starting from 13:30 onwards.

Matthew


Hi Matthew.
It's the fact that you have to take part in a druid ceremony that i have an issue with, surely its descriminates against other "faiths" who wish to be there to do their own thing and don't want to listen to Terry.
As you rightly say, it's an rule they can't possibly enforce but it's the principle of it that worries me.
Wouldn't surprise me if Terry patrolled the site looking for non druids to report.
I've yet to see any proof of this ruling anyway so maybe it's all hot air.


I can't see Terry being concerned with trivia like that. He will be outside the Red Lion catching up with colleagues when not performing ceremony.

Matthew
megadread
1202 posts

Re: 2009 Avebury Megameet - Other Events
Jul 03, 2009, 22:00
handswithenergy wrote:
megadread wrote:
handswithenergy wrote:
I don't see how such a ruling could possible be enforced. I will be at the druid events but not camping. So someone can have my spot lol.

I imagine the Free and Open Gorsedd will be longer than 30 minutes. It could also start earlier than that, depending on factors on the day. I generally get ready for 13:00 with an expectation for it starting from 13:30 onwards.

Matthew


Hi Matthew.
It's the fact that you have to take part in a druid ceremony that i have an issue with, surely its descriminates against other "faiths" who wish to be there to do their own thing and don't want to listen to Terry.
As you rightly say, it's an rule they can't possibly enforce but it's the principle of it that worries me.
Wouldn't surprise me if Terry patrolled the site looking for non druids to report.
I've yet to see any proof of this ruling anyway so maybe it's all hot air.


I can't see Terry being concerned with trivia like that. He will be outside the Red Lion catching up with colleagues when not performing ceremony.

Matthew



I'm not trying to demonize Terry but if the campsite was to fill up early and then more druids turned up........
The same rules should apply to all faiths, personally i blame the NT if indeed this is true.
handswithenergy
handswithenergy
48 posts

Re: 2009 Avebury Megameet - Other Events
Jul 03, 2009, 22:22
megadread wrote:
handswithenergy wrote:
megadread wrote:
handswithenergy wrote:
I don't see how such a ruling could possible be enforced. I will be at the druid events but not camping. So someone can have my spot lol.

I imagine the Free and Open Gorsedd will be longer than 30 minutes. It could also start earlier than that, depending on factors on the day. I generally get ready for 13:00 with an expectation for it starting from 13:30 onwards.

Matthew


Hi Matthew.
It's the fact that you have to take part in a druid ceremony that i have an issue with, surely its descriminates against other "faiths" who wish to be there to do their own thing and don't want to listen to Terry.
As you rightly say, it's an rule they can't possibly enforce but it's the principle of it that worries me.
Wouldn't surprise me if Terry patrolled the site looking for non druids to report.
I've yet to see any proof of this ruling anyway so maybe it's all hot air.


I can't see Terry being concerned with trivia like that. He will be outside the Red Lion catching up with colleagues when not performing ceremony.

Matthew



I'm not trying to demonize Terry but if the campsite was to fill up early and then more druids turned up........
The same rules should apply to all faiths, personally i blame the NT if indeed this is true.


Someone's just having a laugh. There's so much on at this time of year and so many people are away, I would be stunned if the camping area filled up. This festival is close to the Solstice so only the committed would come back again so quickly for what is only a cross-quarter day celebrated far less than Beltane the other side of the Solstice.

Matthew
Pete G
Pete G
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Re: 2009 Avebury Megameet - Other Events
Jul 04, 2009, 05:20
In April this year the National Trust at Avebury completed the analysis of the returns from the consultation document for the overnight camping for regular observances at Avebury and presented a recommendation to the Wessex Region of the National Trust. After three years and several levels of consultation it was clear the outcome was never going to be straightforward. Of the three options that were presented; themselves resulting from consultation workshops with a wide variety of interested parties and statutory agencies, one option emerged clearly; abeit as the least undesirable of those presented.
The detail of the statistical breakdown from the consultation was presented at the Avebury Parish Council Annual General Meeting on March 31st 2009. The consultation revealed that the majority of respondents were in favour of continuing the provision of camping using the existing visitor car park off Beckhampton Road. A number of respondents were cautious regarding this option and felt that they could only support it if certain changes were introduced. The detail of that consultation is available from the Avebury Estate Office on request.
The changes proposed were to provide sufficient space to ensure the safety of those attending and other visitors, to aim to reduce the numbers of nights available at Summer Solstice in particular, and to introduce a charge for all those making use of such a facility. The National Trust has undertaken with the local community to bring about all of those changes.
A new procedure to enforce the parking fee has been introduced and this will ensure all those attending observances at Avebury in future contribute appropriately. A distinct charge for camping will be introduced by Summer Solstice 2010 and thereafter. A limit to the number of spaces that can be provided safely has been set at 210 spaces. We are negotiating a limit to the number of nights camping is made available and a great deal of progress has been made with those attending voluntarily reducing the length of stay. There is more progress to be made.
Health and safety remains our largest concern given the numbers that attended Summer Solstice last year. It is clear that the overflow carpark where we accommodated camping last year is not sufficiently large enough to handle the number of people that the focal point of the south-east quadrant of the Stone Circle can reasonably tolerate for the Summer Solstice observance. We are in negotiation locally to ensure we have adequate space this year to ensure a safe and peaceful Summer Solstice.
One message from the consultation came through loud and clear, and that was that to make no provision for overnight camping was not an option. The Wessex Region of the National Trust have upheld the properties recommendation and the new management arrangements will now be written into the properties business plan. The business plan will be available for local feedback sometime in 2010.
tonyh
247 posts

Re: 2009 Avebury Megameet - Other Events
Jul 04, 2009, 20:13
Pete G wrote:
In April this year the National Trust at Avebury completed the analysis of the returns from the consultation document for the overnight camping for regular observances at Avebury and presented a recommendation to the Wessex Region of the National Trust. After three years and several levels of consultation it was clear the outcome was never going to be straightforward. Of the three options that were presented; themselves resulting from consultation workshops with a wide variety of interested parties and statutory agencies, one option emerged clearly; abeit as the least undesirable of those presented.
The detail of the statistical breakdown from the consultation was presented at the Avebury Parish Council Annual General Meeting on March 31st 2009. The consultation revealed that the majority of respondents were in favour of continuing the provision of camping using the existing visitor car park off Beckhampton Road. A number of respondents were cautious regarding this option and felt that they could only support it if certain changes were introduced. The detail of that consultation is available from the Avebury Estate Office on request.
The changes proposed were to provide sufficient space to ensure the safety of those attending and other visitors, to aim to reduce the numbers of nights available at Summer Solstice in particular, and to introduce a charge for all those making use of such a facility. The National Trust has undertaken with the local community to bring about all of those changes.
A new procedure to enforce the parking fee has been introduced and this will ensure all those attending observances at Avebury in future contribute appropriately. A distinct charge for camping will be introduced by Summer Solstice 2010 and thereafter. A limit to the number of spaces that can be provided safely has been set at 210 spaces. We are negotiating a limit to the number of nights camping is made available and a great deal of progress has been made with those attending voluntarily reducing the length of stay. There is more progress to be made.
Health and safety remains our largest concern given the numbers that attended Summer Solstice last year. It is clear that the overflow carpark where we accommodated camping last year is not sufficiently large enough to handle the number of people that the focal point of the south-east quadrant of the Stone Circle can reasonably tolerate for the Summer Solstice observance. We are in negotiation locally to ensure we have adequate space this year to ensure a safe and peaceful Summer Solstice.
One message from the consultation came through loud and clear, and that was that to make no provision for overnight camping was not an option. The Wessex Region of the National Trust have upheld the properties recommendation and the new management arrangements will now be written into the properties business plan. The business plan will be available for local feedback sometime in 2010.


No mention of this 'Rule' there then..

Tony
tonyh
247 posts

Re: 2009 Avebury Megameet - Other Events
Jul 04, 2009, 21:44
But, then I guess it's not really a rule..

Tony
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