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FourWinds 10943 posts |
Jun 30, 2003, 10:55
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I am guilty of more than a little intolerance :-) I think the saying is : I do not suffer fools lightly ... metaphorically!!!! I am not saying folks here are fools etc... I just don't like people who do not look at both sides. I am very aware of both (actually ALL) sides, I have looked at them long and hard and reached my view/stand point. My opinion is the result of a lot of 'soul searching' and experience. Tombo is very aware of EVERY angle. We have some great 'off forum' chats by email about many of the things on here. These take on healthy debate and never come to the climatic over reactions that this thread has reached. In fact they're almost civilised :-) I know you weren't pointing at me, but I thought I'd acknowledge that I was aware that I was guilty of some of the divisiveness. Rave On!!
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Kammer 3083 posts |
Jun 30, 2003, 10:58
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You ADD as well? K x
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nigelswift 8112 posts |
Jun 30, 2003, 11:19
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ADD is the defence of the Odd. (Ed.)
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Kammer 3083 posts |
Jun 30, 2003, 11:40
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> ADD is the defence of the Odd. > (Ed.) Never really figured out whether it's 'real' or not. They used to call it 'hyperactivity' when I were a lad, but I think that's more of an effect than a cause. There's certainly a set of common behavioural traits that are well described by the term ADD, but whether it's actually a disorder I don't know. These Americans call anything a disorder given half a chance (or a syndrome). K x
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Blaidd 125 posts |
Jun 30, 2003, 13:53
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I am not big- (dropped a size thanx to the diet!!) and I don't think I'm a mauler, (but everyone will have their own opinion on that!!) I wouldn't worry about people getting freaked out, this is about the safest place I know to say what you want or need to. B
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Blaidd 125 posts |
Jun 30, 2003, 14:05
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You could say the same about anywhere these days sadly 4W, but, perhaps energy is the wrong word. There is a sort of "aliveness" - yess I know it's not english, but it's the closest thing. Come on, you must have looked around you in some places & been almost acutely aware of what is there? The trees are alive, therefore there is some form of "energy", there is always "energy" in the earth at these types of sites, mainly because of their age and because of their previous use. What could be more important to a group of people than a safe place to repeatedly house their dead? The emotions left there, the effort it took to erect such a thing in the first place. I know it sounds a bit hippified, but with Waylands, there is something to feel. I'm by no means eloquent enough to explain it. But whatever it is, it is felt by others, in their way. For me it is still very much alive. Some things don't always have power or meaning, it's what people feel or believe that gives it something. the people who built Waylands, West Kennet & many other places felt & believed & installed a part of them in those places. Whatever anyone feels there, energy, life, fear, it's all there for them. Everyone is so different, both in views & sensitivity. That's what makes "here" so bloody good. You have no idea how much you add to these threads, whatever your views, because you make us re-think ours & help put it into words. OK too much hippi crap now, need to go find something mindless to do. Blaidd
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Joanna 658 posts |
Jun 30, 2003, 14:24
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I think you're pretty much right, but according to a few things I've read and seen, there was a v early settlement in South America that they've just found - it's older than Ur but I cannot remember wur it is - and in this settlement there is no evidence of war or defence. It has no defensive structures, no archeology of conflict (love that phrase) and it was around for over two thousand years. The people even built and maintained a big fire so all the travellers could see them and come in. Seems as if they spent their time making fishing nets in exchange for fish, and beads in exchange for magic herbs. They were too chilled to invent and evolve - no wheel, no pottery, and it would appear eventually they all drifted away into more advanced places along the coast.So it's nice to know it did happen, for a while, even if it's not there any more. I'll find you some proper info on this fairy story, when I can. Take it on trust today :)
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FourWinds 10943 posts |
Jun 30, 2003, 14:52
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Wayland's is one of the "Thorns in my Side"! A beautiful place where, as I said above, even I notice something :-) I'm just not prepared to speculate about what it is, because my 'something' is garenteed to be different from everyone else's 'something'. I love Wayland's.
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TomBo 1629 posts |
Jun 30, 2003, 14:54
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You're quite right, I'm talking crap (not sure why). The fall surely is in the Bible. The dangers of flippant asides and a faulty memory! I'm sure I'd read what I said somewhere, but am beginning to wonder because I now can't find a single quotation to support what I'm saying! I have a feeling that what I was trying to say was that the "fall of man" is certainly in the Bible but the "fall of Satan" from angel to devil is derived entirely from Milton. I could be wrong, though - I can't be bothered trawling through the Bible & Paradise Lost to find out right now!. One thing's for sure, and that's that I strongly agree with these wise words (from an anonymous author): "i really don't want to get into an argument about interpretations of biblical texts (down that road lies schisms, bloodshed and centuries of violence between our families... and frankly; who needs that ;-)"
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TomBo 1629 posts |
Jun 30, 2003, 14:56
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Nigel, once again I agree with you in a big way. Here's some more random thoughts... I love your talk about the harmony of colours: "Out of my window there are a million greens, and none clash. There’s also oranges and purples, and those don’t either. Poets have said as much." I've noticed that one with patterns too. Look at, say, the stones on a rocky riverbed. Don't they make a beautiful pattern? (I think so!) Pick one up and then cast it down again randomly on the ground. The pattern's changed slightly but its beauty remains the same. It would take prolonged, concentrated effort to rearrange the stones in a way that spoils the beauty of the pattern. And nature is full of such patterns - the leaves on trees etc. Not sure if I'm trying to say anything here except "Wow, man"! I know what you're saying with "It’s Man that ruins the view, not God/Nature". I kind of agree. I live in a very beautiful place - indeed, its a designated Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. If you travel about three miles from here, though (over the VERY carefully positioned boundary of the AONB) then you will see, nestled into the verdant valley floor, a bloody great big grey cement works (currently disused) complete with huge phallic chimney. Places like this are strong evidence in support of what you're saying. I have just one hesitation, and that is that I find beauty in strange places. Have you ever seen Bladerunner? The opening shot of that film describes exactly what I mean. The city in Bladerunner is a vision of hell - its dark, dirty, polluted, overcrowded, all the rest of it. But that opening shot is a vision of beauty that thrills my soul, the city lights glistening in the darkness, jets of (horribly polluting, I assume) fire shooting into the sky. Ridley Scott (a northern soul) took his inspiration for his vision of the city of the future from a landscape really quite near to my home - the industrial hell around Hartlepool, Redcar & Cleveland. Jah Wobble's Deep Space recently did an album (Largely Live in Hartlepool & Manchester) whose cover is a picture of the British Steelworks at Redcar. Have a look... http://www.30hertzrecords.com/largely.htm That's the kind of beauty I mean. Those clouds of (probably hideously polluting) smoke with the coloured lights shining through them. From one perspective its as ugly as it gets, when you think about what its actually doing. But just look at it aesthetically - its beautiful. Ever walked through a city street crowded with traffic after dark in the rain? I'm sure you have - its like walking through fairyland, at times, don't you think? Coloured lights dancing over the glistening asphalt. Its like Grufty Jim wrote in his blog recently: "Stand atop Parliament Hill at midnight, and look out over London... it's absolutely majestic. Shimmering and twinkling, and tranquil in a way that 8 million people living together shouldn't be. The cool air is still, o'er this jewelled landscape. Night - on Parliament Hill." http://www.cloud23.net/blog/ (sorry Jim, if you were trying to keep out of this!) continued...
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