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thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: One Three One related cds
Mar 03, 2017, 19:54
thesweetcheat wrote:
And how about the reference to Rock Section here:

Born in the UK, early childhood in Jamaica and Guernsey. Early influences were “My Boy Lollipop” by Millie Small, “Bachelor Boy” by Cliff Richard ("Rock Section") and “Telstar” by The Tornados.


How have I missed this before? https://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/review/183/
Citizensmurf
Citizensmurf
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Re: One Three One related cds
Mar 03, 2017, 20:33
thesweetcheat wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:
And how about the reference to Rock Section here:

Born in the UK, early childhood in Jamaica and Guernsey. Early influences were “My Boy Lollipop” by Millie Small, “Bachelor Boy” by Cliff Richard ("Rock Section") and “Telstar” by The Tornados.


How have I missed this before? https://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/review/183/


Next you're going to say that reviewer is also a Cope alias.

I still say that seems like way too much work to fake, hence my moon landing comment. It would have been so much easier to just borrow his song and title for the book.
thesweetcheat
thesweetcheat
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Re: One Three One related cds
Mar 03, 2017, 20:46
Citizensmurf wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:
thesweetcheat wrote:
And how about the reference to Rock Section here:

Born in the UK, early childhood in Jamaica and Guernsey. Early influences were “My Boy Lollipop” by Millie Small, “Bachelor Boy” by Cliff Richard ("Rock Section") and “Telstar” by The Tornados.


How have I missed this before? https://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/review/183/


Next you're going to say that reviewer is also a Cope alias.

I still say that seems like way too much work to fake, hence my moon landing comment. It would have been so much easier to just borrow his song and title for the book.


For all I know you're a Cope alias. All of you.

:)
Citizensmurf
Citizensmurf
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Re: One Three One related cds
Mar 03, 2017, 21:26
phallus dei wrote:
Citizensmurf wrote:

If JC was really RC, then what an overly complicated and long term secret that has been, as he was active since 1978 and released a bunch of music. Do you really think he had this alter ego for 30+ years just so he could write himself into a book and remix an old song on an obscure CD-R? Now that would be an effort equal with faking the moon landing (which also didn't happen, the faking it part I mean, and no I don't want to debate it).


Hope your "not wanting to debate it" is related to the moon landing, not RC/JC. No, I don't think Cope has been pursuing an alias for 30+ years, though I certainly wouldn't put it past him to be pursing an alias for 5 years, and then posting a bunch of stuff on bandcamp (and even listing it on discogs) that claims to have been released earlier. I don't recall anyone ever hearing about Skin Patrol, One Million Fuzztone Guitars, and Robert Courtney before 131 came out. And I could totally see Cope creating an elusive post-punk alter-ego, who, in true Les Rallizes Denudes fashion, exists in perpetual obscurity, recording new versions of the same songs over & over. I remember in one of the last Address Drudions, Cope referenced his then-upcoming 131 and said something like, "prepare to have your concept of reality and fiction forever challenged." Having one level of clearly made-up bands, and then another level of purportedly "real" bands, that are also made up - and all done by Cope himself - would be a way to fulfill that promise.

In any case, when listening to some of the Robert Courtney stuff (I haven't listened to all of it), it sounds like it could be Cope singing in an accent (same as the Dayglo Maradona tracks). And, as mentioned, it seems that the publicist writing about the Robert Courtney tracks is the same person who writes about Cope's work for HH. In another coincidence, the bands Robert Courtney follows on bandcamp are all 131 bands.


I'll happily debate any fictional obscure bands, but I draw the line at enabling truthers about the moon landing.

There are plenty of references to those bands before 131, I own the original single of Rock Section, and it certainly smells 36 years old.

Also there was this mention from Postpunksampler (yeah yeah, another clever Cope conspiracy to make us think it's real):

21. COLOURS OUT OF TIME – ‘As If In Another World’ (1981 John Peel Session)

Remember the Colours Out Of Time? Nere, nobody else does neither. Yet these poor sods from Crewe, in Cheshire, were several times close to getting somewhere had they not, every time, scuppered their own chances by changing their own metaphor and (accidentally) becoming a different band. I booked them to support The Teardrop Explodes at Liverpool’s Club Zoo on the strength of their first 7” single, a gigantic Detroit chasm of a riff-song with no noticeable IQ of its own. Then they turned up for the show and sounded like us, organ’n’all! ‘As In Another World’ sees the Colours Out Of Time in a When I Dream state-of-mind, soon after which they morphed yet again, this time into a transatlantic soundalike of those terrible Paisley Underground spewdo-psyche outfits.
Citizensmurf
Citizensmurf
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Re: One Three One related cds
Mar 03, 2017, 21:27
phallus dei wrote:
Citizensmurf wrote:

If JC was really RC, then what an overly complicated and long term secret that has been, as he was active since 1978 and released a bunch of music. Do you really think he had this alter ego for 30+ years just so he could write himself into a book and remix an old song on an obscure CD-R? Now that would be an effort equal with faking the moon landing (which also didn't happen, the faking it part I mean, and no I don't want to debate it).


Hope your "not wanting to debate it" is related to the moon landing, not RC/JC. No, I don't think Cope has been pursuing an alias for 30+ years, though I certainly wouldn't put it past him to be pursing an alias for 5 years, and then posting a bunch of stuff on bandcamp (and even listing it on discogs) that claims to have been released earlier. I don't recall anyone ever hearing about Skin Patrol, One Million Fuzztone Guitars, and Robert Courtney before 131 came out. And I could totally see Cope creating an elusive post-punk alter-ego, who, in true Les Rallizes Denudes fashion, exists in perpetual obscurity, recording new versions of the same songs over & over. I remember in one of the last Address Drudions, Cope referenced his then-upcoming 131 and said something like, "prepare to have your concept of reality and fiction forever challenged." Having one level of clearly made-up bands, and then another level of purportedly "real" bands, that are also made up - and all done by Cope himself - would be a way to fulfill that promise.

In any case, when listening to some of the Robert Courtney stuff (I haven't listened to all of it), it sounds like it could be Cope singing in an accent (same as the Dayglo Maradona tracks). And, as mentioned, it seems that the publicist writing about the Robert Courtney tracks is the same person who writes about Cope's work for HH. In another coincidence, the bands Robert Courtney follows on bandcamp are all 131 bands.


I'll happily debate any fictional obscure bands, but I draw the line at enabling truthers about the moon landing.

There are plenty of references to those bands before 131, I own the original single of Rock Section, and it certainly smells 36 years old.

Also there was this mention from Postpunksampler (yeah yeah, another clever Cope conspiracy to make us think it's real):

21. COLOURS OUT OF TIME – ‘As If In Another World’ (1981 John Peel Session)

Remember the Colours Out Of Time? Nere, nobody else does neither. Yet these poor sods from Crewe, in Cheshire, were several times close to getting somewhere had they not, every time, scuppered their own chances by changing their own metaphor and (accidentally) becoming a different band. I booked them to support The Teardrop Explodes at Liverpool’s Club Zoo on the strength of their first 7” single, a gigantic Detroit chasm of a riff-song with no noticeable IQ of its own. Then they turned up for the show and sounded like us, organ’n’all! ‘As In Another World’ sees the Colours Out Of Time in a When I Dream state-of-mind, soon after which they morphed yet again, this time into a transatlantic soundalike of those terrible Paisley Underground spewdo-psyche outfits.
Renoir
31 posts

Re: One Three One related cds
Mar 03, 2017, 22:06
well, IMHO, the problem is not about The Colours Out Of Time, who had a short career and consisted of Steve Reynolds - Lead Vocals.
Dave (MD) Robbins - Lead, 12 and 6 String Gtrs, Bass, Vox Continental, Vcls.
Andy Pennance - Gtrs, Bass, "Psaltery and 16 other instruments..."
Phil Bourne - Bass Guitar.
John Durrant - Drums...as I paste from their blog...
but about Skin Patrol AKA One Million Fuzztone Guitars AKA Robert Courtney/Williamson.
They have a fictional thirty years life in music as all the other 131 bands and one can find trace of them only in Bandcamp or in Wordpress.
More...as all videos on YouTube, any kind of infos about appeared 4 years ago...a strange coincidence!
Even if I agree that there's a lot of material, even too much also for a co(pe)nspiracy..
Citizensmurf
Citizensmurf
1703 posts

Re: One Three One related cds
Mar 03, 2017, 22:15
Renoir wrote:
well, IMHO, the problem is not about The Colours Out Of Time, who had a short career and consisted of Steve Reynolds - Lead Vocals.
Dave (MD) Robbins - Lead, 12 and 6 String Gtrs, Bass, Vox Continental, Vcls.
Andy Pennance - Gtrs, Bass, "Psaltery and 16 other instruments..."
Phil Bourne - Bass Guitar.
John Durrant - Drums...as I paste from their blog...
but about Skin Patrol AKA One Million Fuzztone Guitars AKA Robert Courtney/Williamson.
They have a fictional thirty years life in music as all the other 131 bands and one can find trace of them only in Bandcamp or in Wordpress.
More...as all videos on YouTube, any kind of infos about appeared 4 years ago...a strange coincidence!
Even if I agree that there's a lot of material, even too much also for a co(pe)nspiracy..


https://www.discogs.com/release/1638706-Heaven/history#latest
Annexus Quam
926 posts

Re: One Three One related cds
Mar 03, 2017, 22:40
For future reference to the fantastic career of the great Mr Courtney, check this out...
https://onemillionfuzztoneguitars.wordpress.com/about/
I've been meaning to write the definitive biography of OMFTG for years but...
Annexus Quam
926 posts

Re: One Three One related cds
Mar 03, 2017, 22:44
Lets not forget the magnificent Sister Rave by Courtney and Bourne, one of the greatest artifacts to guide you through the haze
https://onemillionfuzztoneguitars.bandcamp.com/album/sister-rave

Big Jake is right:
"Recorded as part of a weekend long session in Ian Drury's old council flat in Vauxhall with the door nailed shut in case anyone broke in and pulled the fuses (this had happened before). Phil Bourne of the Colours Out of Time givin' it some stick on a vintage Fender Jag, Mad Dog mixin' on the effects Pedals, Robert Courtney of Skin patrol on two note keyboard. By this time Rock Section was so f**ked that we'd only let him press the 'on' button on the drum machine and he even gets that wrong here. He spent the whole session fully clothed in the bathtub with a kitchen knife, so we wrapped the Roland in a carrier bag. taped the lead in, new PP3 (the bath was full) and off we went. Occasionally Rock would shoot a hole in the bath to let the water out, and when it got too high in the flat (plug height, we'd open the balcony door and shout 'RAIN! No bass 'cause Rock had broken the neck"
Renoir
31 posts

Re: One Three One related cds
Mar 03, 2017, 23:27
ops...i see...I knew he/they exist...is the career that made me suspect...there is a strange kind of long hiatus...at least 30 years far away from notoriety...then the re-appearence and a lot of albums and live and singles...just in concomitance with the release of 131...but it defintely seems only a coincidence. Maybe...ahahah.
PS: ...but I don't think moonlanding had never happened!
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