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landells
landells
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Re: Black Sheep @ the Bristol Festival
Sep 23, 2009, 16:53
Can't speak for everyone but I had a wee chat with Acoustika and Nige afterwards and they seemed very happy
suave harv
suave harv
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Re: Black Sheep @ the Bristol Festival
Sep 23, 2009, 19:58
kiddrahcir wrote:
sorry i know you've finished this discussion but... does mr suarve consider birdsong music. just a thought.


can you right it down, does it follow all his rules? or are all those bloomin left field blackbirds and thrushes decieving us?


It's musical. In the way that you can describe something pretty sounding as musical. Like the expression 'musical laughter' . . but it's not what I'd term music. Not as I understand music.

That's not to say I don't find it a nice sound, just like many sounds in nature, but I don't feel we should be calling every pretty sound 'music'. Just like we shouldn't call a pretty sunset a 'work of art'.

As for 'rules', I thought I made it clear that the factors that make music 'music' are not rules, they are tools that define what music is. I didn't make them up, It's what it is. And no, I don't go to gigs with a clipboard ticking 'em off before you ask.

But we're arguing over terminology here, and if you've got a dictionary that defines music as 'a sequence of sounds pleasing or harmonious' then you could say birdsong is music. My point is 'sonic collage' (or what I've heard of it) has little or no musical worth, in the way that I percieve and understand music.

I'm repeating myself, I'm getting boring (or even more boring). .but I'll try to be more open minded about this stuff. This thread has at least taught me that people are very serious about what they do, and not everyone is a poseur who indulges in this stuff. Perhaps I'll listen differently next time.

I hope I haven't insulted anyone directly and we can share a beer at the next Cope gig.













Where does songs.
Squid Tempest
Squid Tempest
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Re: Black Sheep @ the Bristol Festival
Sep 24, 2009, 09:52
suave harv wrote:
kiddrahcir wrote:
sorry i know you've finished this discussion but... does mr suarve consider birdsong music. just a thought.


can you right it down, does it follow all his rules? or are all those bloomin left field blackbirds and thrushes decieving us?


It's musical. In the way that you can describe something pretty sounding as musical. Like the expression 'musical laughter' . . but it's not what I'd term music. Not as I understand music.

That's not to say I don't find it a nice sound, just like many sounds in nature, but I don't feel we should be calling every pretty sound 'music'. Just like we shouldn't call a pretty sunset a 'work of art'.

As for 'rules', I thought I made it clear that the factors that make music 'music' are not rules, they are tools that define what music is. I didn't make them up, It's what it is. And no, I don't go to gigs with a clipboard ticking 'em off before you ask.

But we're arguing over terminology here, and if you've got a dictionary that defines music as 'a sequence of sounds pleasing or harmonious' then you could say birdsong is music. My point is 'sonic collage' (or what I've heard of it) has little or no musical worth, in the way that I percieve and understand music.

I'm repeating myself, I'm getting boring (or even more boring). .but I'll try to be more open minded about this stuff. This thread has at least taught me that people are very serious about what they do, and not everyone is a poseur who indulges in this stuff. Perhaps I'll listen differently next time.

I hope I haven't insulted anyone directly and we can share a beer at the next Cope gig.













Where does songs.


hah! I'll happily share a beer (or even get one each), but I reckon you ought to try one of the noisy gigs!
kiddrahcir
kiddrahcir
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Re: Black Sheep @ the Bristol Festival
Sep 24, 2009, 10:46
me too, i prefer the one each option mind unless it's a reet big jug. lets hope there is some live cope soon. preferably a bit futher north, noise or songs i'd take either.
FOMouse
FOMouse
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Re: Black Sheep @ the Bristol Festival
Sep 24, 2009, 13:51
Squid Tempest wrote:


Yeah, it's been a good discussion, good for you for sticking with it! As you say, food for thought.


Is that an offer?

Oh....
Lord Lucan
Lord Lucan
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Edited Sep 24, 2009, 14:35
Re: Black Sheep @ the Bristol Festival
Sep 24, 2009, 14:35
"Everything we do is music."
John Cage
Lord Lucan
Lord Lucan
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Edited Sep 24, 2009, 14:52
Re: Black Sheep @ the Bristol Festival
Sep 24, 2009, 14:37
Reading through (some of) this thread, it sounds like the gig was a heroic failure. Wish I'd been there.
Squid Tempest
Squid Tempest
8787 posts

Re: Black Sheep @ the Bristol Festival
Sep 24, 2009, 14:50
FOMouse wrote:
Squid Tempest wrote:


Yeah, it's been a good discussion, good for you for sticking with it! As you say, food for thought.


Is that an offer?

Oh....


Food For Thought is a fine veggie cafe/restaurant in Covent Garden, not that you'd be interested in that, I assume...
Kid Calamity
9026 posts

Re: Black Sheep @ the Bristol Festival
Sep 24, 2009, 14:54
Is Mildred's still going, over near Soho Square? I used to love that place.
FOMouse
FOMouse
228 posts

Re: Black Sheep @ the Bristol Festival
Sep 24, 2009, 14:55
Squid Tempest wrote:
FOMouse wrote:
Squid Tempest wrote:


Yeah, it's been a good discussion, good for you for sticking with it! As you say, food for thought.


Is that an offer?

Oh....


Food For Thought is a fine veggie cafe/restaurant in Covent Garden, not that you'd be interested in that, I assume...


Don't mind veggie food. As long as there's enough if it. Cheese on toast is veggie. Cake is veggie. You can keep the seeds and tofu side of things though.

fnff
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