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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Jun 06, 2019, 08:19
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veneta1 wrote: Pretty good article in today's Guardian that seems to sum it up. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/30/bigmouth-strikes-again-morrissey-songs-loneliness-shyness-misfits-far-right-party-tonight-show-jimmy-fallon I wouldn't employ Diane Abbott for anything. Let alone any managerial, shelf-packing or trolley-retrieval posts at Tesco. That doesn't make me a racist. It is just stating the obvious about her well-hidden talents as well as her inability to understand when she should stay quiet on important things like how to fund the NHS or the Police. Would anyone who has witnessed Diane Abbott's utter gibberish employ her for anything?
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veneta1 223 posts |
Jun 06, 2019, 10:38
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Howburn Digger wrote: veneta1 wrote: Pretty good article in today's Guardian that seems to sum it up. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/30/bigmouth-strikes-again-morrissey-songs-loneliness-shyness-misfits-far-right-party-tonight-show-jimmy-fallon I wouldn't employ Diane Abbott for anything. Let alone any managerial, shelf-packing or trolley-retrieval posts at Tesco. That doesn't make me a racist. It is just stating the obvious about her well-hidden talents as well as her inability to understand when she should stay quiet on important things like how to fund the NHS or the Police. Would anyone who has witnessed Diane Abbott's utter gibberish employ her for anything? Interesting that you chose to focus on this in the article. Would this be the same Diane Abbott who increased her majority in the 2017 election by 11,000 to over 35,000? Her constituents must really be stupid to keep voting for her. You really should have started your post with, 'I'm not a racist but ...'
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Edited Jun 07, 2019, 00:38
Jun 07, 2019, 00:38
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veneta1 wrote: Howburn Digger wrote: veneta1 wrote: Pretty good article in today's Guardian that seems to sum it up. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/30/bigmouth-strikes-again-morrissey-songs-loneliness-shyness-misfits-far-right-party-tonight-show-jimmy-fallon I wouldn't employ Diane Abbott for anything. Let alone any managerial, shelf-packing or trolley-retrieval posts at Tesco. That doesn't make me a racist. It is just stating the obvious about her well-hidden talents as well as her inability to understand when she should stay quiet on important things like how to fund the NHS or the Police. Would anyone who has witnessed Diane Abbott's utter gibberish employ her for anything? Interesting that you chose to focus on this in the article. Would this be the same Diane Abbott who increased her majority in the 2017 election by 11,000 to over 35,000? Her constituents must really be stupid to keep voting for her. You really should have started your post with, 'I'm not a racist but ...' No I shouldn't. You should start your post with "I am venetal and feel unable to say anything critical towards anyone in case someone calls me racist"... I was referring to her inability to do basic arithmetic regarding the costs of Policing and the NHS. Diane Abbott believed if she recruited 10,000 police officers over a four year period it would cost about £300,000 in total.No wonder people simply gave up on Labour when they appointed useless figures like DA. This was a red-hot topic. The Tories were bombing on this... and Abbott simply threw her bag of ammo under a bus. And joined their car crash. I'm talking about total ineptitude regarding what was a red hot topic at the time. DA hadn't done her homework and blabbered her mouth off. As she often does. The interview became crushingly embarrassing as she simply went on and made up stuff she knew NOTHING about. Surely we can expect MORE of public servants and particularly an opposition who were pitted against the most hopeless Tory car-crash line-up of a govt since records began. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/02/diane-abbotts-error-filled-lbc-interview-on-police-funding-video Interesting that you seem to feel that criticising an MP for being inept at their job must mean you are a racist. I think your notion that if an MP is not caucasian then it doesn't matter how crap they are in public office is insulting to everyone. Anyone doing any job really. Your notion that DA should be excused her crapulence simply because she is not caucasian is demeaning to everyone and condescending to a woman in her position at the minimum. The reason I responded about DA was because I watched that interview in toe-curling disgust. I couldn't believe Labour were letting the Tories off the hook. The Tory lynchings that should have taken place six weeks later over Grenfell never happened either. They may yet come. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/council-officials-called-grenfell-tower-16342787 Some of the mouths that should have spoken from a couple of miles across London didn't. The very notion that Morrissey should be described as racist for quite fairly criticising DA is simply gibberish from the Spacebook & Twitter keyboard morons who cannot string a coherent thought together. Maybe they think DA is wonderful? Let's all get pissed-up on a train cause we're a public figure. venetal - Does the 1930s German Nazis adoption and use of the word "socialist" mean that socialists are Nazis in your logic? The word "Britain" does not belong to Anne Marie Waters and her ilk nor does the word "for".
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Howburn Digger 986 posts |
Jun 08, 2019, 17:04
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"Freedom of speech means the freedom for someone to say something you disagree with. If you don't believe in that, then you don't believe in freedom of speech." I remember the fuss over "Suffer Little Children" and the utterly horrific crap which was thrown at Morrissey for it. Then the papers realised the Lesley Ann and Keith's mums really approved of the song and had regularly visited Morrissey. Lesley Ann's mum thought "Suffer Little Children" was very touching. The press had completely got the wrong end of the stick. Completely and deliberately. They hadn't even read the lyrics of a song they described as "evil". "'Morrissey does this and Morrissey says that and Morrissey believes... and nobody asked me a thing. Nobody knew what I believed ..' - Morrissey Can you give exact quotes of what exactly Morrissey has said that you don't agree with. Actual quote and source. All the extreme racist stuff. Then we can read what you are on about.
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
Jun 08, 2019, 18:40
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I'm not going to call him racist but he's always been a twat who's never actually bothered to understand the drivel he actually spouts: “The modern Loony Left seem to forget that Hitler was Left wing! But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless." Since when and where? Only planet Twat do people think that. Population of Planet Twat? One person named Morrissey! This is pretty much the same response given by every racist person I know, basically it's a drab attempt to undermine the discussion. It never works! “Both [Labour and Conservative] parties support halal slaughter, which, as we all know, is evil. Furthermore, halal slaughter requires certification that can only be given by supporters of Isis, and yet in England we have halal meat served in hospitals and schools!” There was testing done in 2009, as I recall, by a German university who proved that Halal method is more humane than battery method. If he gave a shit what he was talking about he'd have bothered to look that up, it's on the internet! More in the link below: https://www.theweek.co.uk/92990/morrissey-interview-five-most-controversial-comments-by-the-smiths-singer Morrissey has always been a Grade A wanker, this is just another of his bullshitty attempts to try and be controversial and, as usual, just looking an ill-informed Twat!
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PMM 3155 posts |
Edited Jun 08, 2019, 20:03
Jun 08, 2019, 20:00
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First they came for the racists... I have to admit, I feel some unease when I hear that someone has been sacked because of something they tweeted 5 years ago. It sometimes feels like a road towards McCarthyism using racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism as a proxy Communism. Where are we going with all this? It's being weaponised against the left - See for example how the Labour Party suddenly became Anti-Semitic at the same time that a Leftist leader was elected. See also the furure when Corbyn called May a "Stupid Woman". The fuss was about May's gender, but the insult was in describing her as "Stupid".
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Toni Torino 2299 posts |
Jun 09, 2019, 08:45
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From a 1986 Melody Maker interview with Frank Owen. Pete Paphides flagged this up a year ago. Over 30 years ago, true. Moz: "Reggae, for example, is to me the most racist music in the entire world. It's an absolute total glorification of black supremacy... There is a line when defense of one's race becomes an attack on another race and, because of black history and oppression, we realise quite clearly that there has to be a very strong defence. But I think it becomes very extreme sometimes." "But, ultimately, I don't have very cast iron opinions on black music other than black modern music which I detest. I detest Stevie Wonder. I think Diana Ross is awful. I hate all those records in the Top 40 - Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston. I think they're vile in the extreme. In essence this music doesn't say anything whatsoever." Interviewer: But it does, it does. What it says can't necessarily be verbalised easily. It doesn't seek to change the world like rock music by speaking grand truths about politics, sex and the human condition. It works at a much more subtle level - at the level of the body and the shared abandon of the dancefloor. It won't change the world, but it's been said it may well change the way you walk through the world. Moz: "I don't think there's any time anymore to be subtle about anything, you have to get straight to the point. Obviously to get on Top Of The Pops these days, one has to be, by law, black. I think something political has occurred among Michael Hurl and his friends and there has been a hefty pushing of all these black artists and all this discofied nonsense into the Top 40. I think, as a result, that very aware younger groups that speak for now are being gagged." Interviewer: You seem to be saying that you believe that there is some sort of black pop conspiracy being organised to keep white indie groups down. Moz: "Yes, I really do."
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Captain Starlet 1110 posts |
Jun 09, 2019, 09:30
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PMM wrote: First they came for the racists... I have to admit, I feel some unease when I hear that someone has been sacked because of something they tweeted 5 years ago. It sometimes feels like a road towards McCarthyism using racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism as a proxy Communism. Where are we going with all this? It's being weaponised against the left - See for example how the Labour Party suddenly became Anti-Semitic at the same time that a Leftist leader was elected. See also the furure when Corbyn called May a "Stupid Woman". The fuss was about May's gender, but the insult was in describing her as "Stupid". Labour were always an “Anti-Semitic party” the difference now is they have an Anti-Semitic leader. People tend to ignore the fact that that’s the problem!
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Fitter Stoke 2611 posts |
Jun 10, 2019, 13:19
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I can't defend Morrissey's extremist tendency and wouldn't try to, but I remain a fan of much of his music. Like him or loathe him, the man has been a mass of contradictions for 37 years and seems to thrive on surfing the bounds of respectability and political correctness. Whether or not I believe, agree or disagree with his blather, I'm used to it. And like all of us he's entitled to his opinions, however questionable they might be. If being righteous was a condition of the artists I chose to listen to, I'd have a pretty small record collection. For my own part I still get pleasure from Morrissey's voice and muse, whatever stance he chooses to project.
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Vybik Jon 7718 posts |
Jun 10, 2019, 21:34
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Yeah. Fucking idiot though.
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